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May 21-31, 2011

Jim, Thanks for Remembering the Friends that we lost to soon.. God Bless the boys and girls serving now and God Bless America
Erda Armstrong Graham, Westside of Germantown [05-30-2011]

Going offline for awhile; health issues now on the top of my agenda. I hope to hear from my good mates here via Facebook or my private email. Ladies, please have regular breast screening. It won't prepare you for 'surprises' but maybe it will catch small problems before they become life-threatening. I hope that's the case for me.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-30-2011]

Schmitty, please stay in touch via my email or Facebook page.
CMM [05-30-2011]

Hello G-towners ! Living in Germantown, going "downna shore" was a real treat. When I was very young, that meant a vacation in Tuckerton, N.J., a sleepy little fishing village before the build-up began. My Aunt Anna and Uncle Joe Marrone, bought a two-bedroom bungalow on a lagoon with a dock and small pier for a little over $5000 in 1959. We would rent the place for a week and I couldn't wait. Another Aunt and Uncle of mine, Mary and John DiMarzio, bought a place next to them. That meant that my cousins and I got to hang out for an entire week. That's about all you could do in Tuckerton besides fishing. We would catch minnows in a trap to use for bait when my uncle would take us out into the bay to catch some flounder and blow fish. I used to love to use a hand line to drop over the side of the boat and catch crabs on a fish head that we would buy at Ace's Place, a bait and tackle shop in town. Crabs were in abundance; big blue claws that my mom would drop in a boiling pot of hot water to serve for dinner along with the flounder. For the kids, the highlight of the night would be waiting for the mosquito truck to come around and spray the entire area. Believe it or not, we would get on bikes and ride right behind him in that fog. I can't believe we're not dead of some DDT poisioning by now. Another favorite thing to do was miniture golf. It was located down the road a little and it also had an ice cream and candy stand. Playing mini-golf was an adventure to say the least. You would get eaten alive by mosquitos and green head flies that you could put a saddle on and ride away on. I remember going into the phone booth to call my parents to come get us and when the light came on, there had to be thousands of mosquitos flying around my head. But, when you're a little kid, that was nothing to concern yourself with; just have plenty of campho on hand to stop the itching. One day during the week, my dad would drive us all to A.C. and to the Steel Pier to spend the day. For a couple of bucks, we saw entertainers like Al Martino and Frank Fontaine from the Jackie Gleason show; "Crazy Guggenhiem" was his famous character. They also had the famous diving horses performing with the clowns and that was always a treat. One of the best rides they had was the diving bell. You would be put in the bell, descend slowly, and then when you were resting on the bottom, they would release the bell and it would come to the surface in a matter of seconds. As a teenager, I would go exclusively to Wildwood; I didn't know there was another town at the Jersey Shore other than A.C.of course, and I spent a couple of great summers there with my buddies in a quest to meet up with as many girls as possible. When I got older and had children of my own, I would take them to Ocean City, a great town for families. That was the first time they were allowed to walk the boardwalk alone; that's how safe it was. When my wife and I lived in Yardley, Pa., we used to take the back way to Ocean City, through the blueberry farms in Hammonton, and then emerge at the Crab Trap restaurant and miss all the heavy traffic. During the week, we could make that trip in about an hour and a half and we actually would go to dinner on the boardwalk and then return, just to spend some time in O.C. when we weren't renting. Now, we usually go to Wildwood Crest to stay at our friends house which is just magnificent. It can accomodate 6 couples and we usually get together a couple of times a year and spend great weekends together. Anyway, for a kid from Germantown, the Shore seemed like a great adventure; as an adult it still does. Take care everybody!
Bill Cupo, Immaculate and C.D. grad/Chalfont,Pa. [05-30-2011]

Growing up in Happy Hollow I was fortunate to meet quite a few great men. Two were leaders who worked at "The Playground." I knew Pat Sarnese to be a right minded giant of a guy whe gave great advice to me as a kid. He knew how to talk to kids and I've tried to be like Pat in my own dealings with young people. The second guy was Bob Lejewski. He was a fine man and right minded like Pat. Both were huge people and both were great models. When great athletes from Happy Hollow are mentioned, the best of them for my money was Ollie Powers. I saw Ollie dunk a basketball in HH in 1957. 5'10" kids did not dunk in 1957. Ollie had the sweetest jump shot ever. He killed the Interac League and killed Saturday morning at HH. I once sat and saw Ollie destroy a great La Salle High School team. The whole game he talked directly to me. Of course he did. i was the only one in the gym who came from HH. The only one who mattered. Basketball wasn't Ollie's main sport either. Let Bor tell you about his pitching. Ollie won the Cliveden Award as the best athlete in Philadelphia. Wilt Chamberlain came in second. I think that last is true.
Jack Brogan, It may sound funny but I don't believe she's comin' uha. [05-30-2011]

John Fleming: For a person, who has expertise and skills in technology and electronics, you write and blog so very well. Apparently, your writing talent was developed at SFA by the same St. Joe nuns who taught Cathy Manning Muir and Joe Lynch. You also have street-smarts since you have been around the block. I also appreciate that you know that I am not paranoid about some of the things that do happen in bars,bistros, and restaurants. Back in the day, there were 5 or 6 college kids hanging out in Umberto Clam Bar in Little Italy in NYC. Crazy Joe Gallo was also celebrating his birthday there with friends and his body-guard,Pete The Greek. A big shooter,probaly from Philly. enters the restaurant and whacks Crazy Joe. The students developed amnesia and Bob Dylan wrote a song about Joe Gallo's brutal life and demise-"Joey". Stuff happens in various restaurants. In the 80's, I stopped in The Blue Bell in Montco for a taste and I bumped into larry White,the old jock from St. Tommy More. We were talking about the ponies when a fight broke out between 2 well-dressed dudes. Chuck B.,the bartender asked me and larry to help with these 2 guys. We got them into the parking lot when one guy runs into his car,A Benz, and comes out with a big weapon and yells,"School's Out-Motor Scooters". This was crazy, I was a reserved guy from G-town and trying to be a good guy and break up a fight between a gambler and a bill collector and my life was about to end in a dark parking lot. We all started to run and on that night, I was faster than the All-Catholic End from Tommy More-Larry White[RIP]. Obviously,our friend from The Outback is very bright[etc.,etc, etc.] and she advises us by dint of Quotes not to believe what you hear and half of what you see. I agree that we should process a lot of the stuff that we hear. I am going to throw some stuff at you and this is not just from the grape-vine. Over the years, you had to hear Jerry Blavat was connected. You met him at Wagner's and I met him in East Falls at a club on East River Drive with Tom Wilkins who might know you. The Geator is very friendly and people like him. Back in the day, The Geator was hanging out in South Philly with Steve Bouras,a Greek mobster, and Long John M.,well known in the gangsta world. Before Geator's very eyes, Bouras gets whacked, and Long John was injured but he survived. As fate would have it, Long John got hit later and it was not by a water baloon. The message is simple, choose your friends and restaurants carefully. Now that Cueball Cusack is out of hibernation, I would like to read his take on Margate and The Jersey Shore. Cueball knew some characters in his time-icluding his cousins,one, a bartender and the other,a physician. John! I am very happy to have rounded 3rd base and to root for our Phillies.
J. Bruce Schmitt [05-30-2011]

Memorial Day, my Birthday, and another year all rolled into one long weekend. I am sure many of you remember the Beatles song “when I’m 64” first played on WIBGE, 1967 from Sgt. Peppers. That was quite an album at the time and I remember thinking how old 64 would be, way older than my parents were: yesterday I turned 64 and don’t think it’s that old now. Anyway, retirement is just around the corner and I want this aging stuff to end now. I read the post from Jim McKernan on 5/28, my birthday; it struck a whole load of memories, long forgotten. I do remember a number of names in his post. I was in class at Dougherty with Tom Lyons, Lou Lordi, Joe Flanagan and Leo Smith, all members of the class of 65. While Don Woods was from the class of 66 or 67 he went to St Vincent De Paul grade school with me, and at times hung out at “our corner” Chelten Av. & Morris street. Don’s brother Paul was in my class at St Vincent’s and Dougherty. We also got drafted on the same day and took that long troop train from 30th station down to Ft Gordon GA, just missing induction into the USMC. Albert Bradley, from Woodlawn Av was with us also, along with many other Dougherty graduates. You could consider it out first Class reunion. We hooked up with other troop cars along the way and by the time we got to Ft. Gordon we were in the thousands. The military was not prepared for our numbers and many of us were forced to sleep in the parking lot overnight until they erected enough tents to house us. They split us off into companies by alphabetic order so Bradley want to Company “A” and Paul and I got stuck with company “C”. Paul was in the next tent over, in another Platoon. Basic training was a bit like high school: we all went to the same classes at different times and would run into each other periodically. Believe it or not Georgia got cold in October so the US Army installed kerosene drip heaters in each tent with a long stove pipe going up through the canvas in the roof. I don’t exactly remember when I first noticed that Paul would stay behind in the tent during the day because he was on sick call. Not many individuals were lucky enough to get awarded sick call. When I caught up with him he was always fine and did not look sick at all; but then we were all still in our teens and sick was not a look you were familiar with. It was a cold November morning when my platoon was going to do another forced march with the entire company C, in full gear. The thought of another 10 miles keeping up was just plan troubling and worked on my mind a bit. I saw Paul at breakfast and he indicated he had the chills and would be on sick call for the day, wishing I was as well. The forced march was thankfully uneventful, I was relieved that not only could I keep up; but could even set the pace for a time. We came back and got ready for dinner someone in the next platoon told me that Paul Wood was taken away. He turned up the heat and the stove pipe got red hot and burned a hole in the tent. I never spoke with Paul again; it was not until I came back from Viet Nam that I heard that he passed away. Memorial Day should indeed honor the veterans for the sacrifices made during service: this honoring should include more than some Politician reading anonyms names from a list, wall, or memorial stone. Every Vet has family and friends, Mrs. Wood lost two sons within a short time. I for one am happy to actually be able to remember some vets that are no longer here. I honor them by remembering them as they were, their personalities, their traits good and bad. I thank them for the ultimate sacrifice to enable us as a nation to decide how we will govern ourselves, and we have done this for well over 200 years.
Bob Smith, Erwinna PA - From Germantown [05-30-2011]

Catherine Manning Muir: Sorry, but I didn't go to SFA. My time spent in Pearl Harbor was from '64-'66, little before the "commercialization" of the island. The only chains I remember being there at the time, was Shakey's Pizza Parlor in Pearl City and Chicken Delight. I got to see many of the exotic places you mentioned i.e. All the main Hawaiian Islands,Hong Kong, Midway, Philippines, Iwo Jima, Japan, and little trip to Viet Nam (10 miles off the coast, which was close enough for me). The biggest difference being, that I got to see these places, via a WWII tin can (destroyer), not in a Jetliner LOL. No regrets though, as I got the thrill of riding out a couple of typhoons ala the USS Caine, in the film "The Caine Mutiny" Speaking of films, yes I can never get enough of watching "From Here to Eternity", and just about any other movie that Burt Lancaster was in, including my favorite "Come Back Little Sheba" When I got discharged from the Navy, it was about the time Hawaii Five-0, the original, TV show debuted. Watching it was like watching a home movie, as I was able to recognize most of the set locations. I especially liked the beginning with the shot of Jack Lord standing atop the Ilikai hotel, where I was first introduced to a Mai Tai. I might also add that I made my film debut with John Wayne, in the film "In Harms Way" LOL They used the ship I was serving on, as a backdrop in the scene where Kirk Douglas comes aboard the ship transporting the nurses. If you look real close you can seem waving from the fantail. I can still remember seeing Don Ho in the International Market Place, when first started out in show business.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-30-2011]

One of the great things we had in Germantown was to have the Wissahickon right next to us. To me it was my fantasy world, all I had to do was jump on my bike and in one block I was on Wissahickon Ave., here my bike was instantly transformed into a police motorcycle. By the time I reached Rittenhouse’s Mill my bike would morph into a beautiful horse and I would continue my travels thru various centuries in a instant. In the scouts I remember our trips to Blue Bell where I discovered even more trails thru the Wissahickon. Through history, different people had different views of this great place- --A man who hated the place was General Armstrong the Commander of the Penna. Militia in the revolutionary war. After the Battle of Germantown he wrote how bad it was “and with one field-piece we got away, the other I was obliged to leave in the horrendous hills of the Wissahickon.” Edgar Allan Poe in 1844 wrote “The Wissahiccon is of so remarkable a loveliness, that, were it flowing in England, it would be the theme of every bard, and the common topic of every tongue, if indeed, its banks were not parceled off in lots, at an exorbitant price, as building sites for villas of the opulent”
Jack McHugh [05-30-2011]

I love this site. I wait every day to read the new entries. Thanks to the webmaster for the time & effort you put into this. I happened on the site by accident through Google & now have friends I never met but only know through this site. It has always been enjoyable but recently some people have become contentious, argumentative & critical. if you are one of them then you know who you are. Let's all go back to being friendly & sharing memories. We all can learn from each other and experience the 6 degrees of separation.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-29-2011]

Although I don’t post to this blog a lot, I read it almost every day and enjoy the blogs written from all the Germantown neighborhoods .. not just from my own neighborhood (Fernhill Park, Happy Hollow). On this Memorial Day, I was recalling happy times at the Shore in my teen years spent in Wildwood (before the club scene) … during the late 50’s. We had a big crowd of guys from Fernhill and from the Hollow, and we would check into some memorable places like The Franklin Rooms on Pine Avenue, and the Davis House on Maple Avenue. Luckily, these places only cost $2 per night so it certainly met my financial needs. There was a place at Pine and the Boardwalk named Nate’s Hot Dogs … are you ready for this … 2 hotdogs for a buck! This is where I ate breakfast, lunch and dinner. You really can acquire a taste for hot dogs all the time … you just need to be financially needy and be close to Nate’s. We hung on the Pine Avenue Beach all day, and cruised the Wildwood Boardwalk at night, talking to every girl that would give us the time of day. Then dancing at the Starlite Ballroom at Oak and the Boardwalk … some of the best dancers strutted their stuff at Starlite. Somehow we always seemed to end up with an Italian dinner at the Hitching Post in North Wildwood. I remember heading to Wildwood on many a summer weekend with Jerry McKeon, Al Patrizi, Bobby Kephart, Ralph Gatto, George Jartkey, Alan Good, Pat McIlhinney, Johnny Martin, Tony Spagnolia, Johnny McGeehan .. just to name a few. All good timers and fun to be with. Then as I got older and entered the club scene, the location moved to Margate … the subject of another post to this blog at another time.
Tom Cusack [05-29-2011]

OC and Sea Isle were 'it' for some, but Wildwood/Cape May was 'it' for our family. My in-laws had a house on the bay at North Wildwood, where they rented out 'tinnies' to day-trippers to go out fishing and crabbing. They rented traps and sold bait--smelly oily fish of some sort--to attract the crabs. My two children spent every summer there, taking the bus down on their own (imagine doing that these days!), holding their teddy bears on their laps. I'd put them on the bus and their grandparents would meet them at the other end. My little girl loved to be as near naked as permissible, usually on the dock in just her underpants, while my son hated being barefoot and was always fully-dressed, socks, shoes, shorts, T-shirt, the whole 9 yards. They would put crab traps out on the end of the dock and catch dozens of crabs. When the folks who'd hired the tinnies came back empty-handed and usually legless from too much beer, the kids would sell them crabs for $1 each and when they'd each saved up $10, Pop would take them to the boardwalk to go on the rides. Any crabs that didn't sell would go into spaghetti sauce. Fantastic! During Hurricane Agnes in June '72, the in-laws stayed as long as they could but eventually had to be evacuated by boat. Houses along the causeway washed up onto the road or out to sea, but 'our' house stayed put. It was a great thing for city kids to be able to spend summers out of town with the grandparents. There were 3 Wildwoods: N. Wildwood, Wildwood and Wildwood Crest. N. Wildwood was older family summer homes, Wildwood was mainly tourist accommodation and 'the Crest' was big, flash houses and motels. Lots of Italians in Wildwood, so good Italian restaurants. I remember on one wedding anniversary going to the Hurricane Club for Fats Domino's show. Weren't they the days! When my husband died suddenly and I was left to support us on my own, I worked full time and went to college full time, studying in the wee hours after the children were in bed. The children were at the new SFA school and I was at Temple on scholarship. To finish quickly, I went year-round, and did a year of independent study to produce my honors thesis on the Chinese in Philadelphia, graduating in May 1973 with a B.A. summa cum laude. The in-laws eventually moved to Cape May Court House and we were close until they passed away, Pop from emphysema and Grandma from old age. By that time, we were living in Hawaii, truly heaven on earth, but that's another story. Any more Wildwood folks out there with stories to share?
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA, CA, Temple etc etc etc [05-29-2011]

Joe Dag, you have it right. This is a holiday I reflect on. I remember when I got back from that hell hole, called Vietnam & the first person, besides my parents I weanted to see was my Grandpop. I bought a car & drove to Shenandoah, PA. We spent a few days together, had a few beers & talked. I remember him saying to me" As you get older you will understand your military service." He was so right. I reflect this weekend on my brothers & sisters who made the ultimate sacrifice. GOD BLESS our fallen brothers & sisters. May they have found their peace in death, that they did not find in Nam. Joe, I was not a Marine, but a Doggie, but SEMPER FI, my brother.
Joe Melchiorre, 63 years young [05-29-2011]

Bor[Paul]and The Red Baron[John]: I find it is interesting that some bloggers were tired of hearing about Goo Guarinello and we are now hearing old Hollow names like Joe Rossi[BeBe] and Pat Sarnese. Both of you are Old-Guard Hollow Guys and probaly remember these aforemetioned names. BeBe Rossi was known for his defensive skills and climbing up the rocks in the outfield at The Hollow to snag a fly-ball. It was mentioned that Pat Sarnese was both a Hollow and Waterview Guy. Pat worked at The Hollow but played ball in his youth at Waterview. However, he did live near The Hollow. Pat Sarnese was one of the great football players from Germantown, having played for Temple and professionally for The Steelers with John Henry Johnson. When the SFA Guys meet at The Buck, Pat's cousin,Joe Leone, usually shows up. Vince Presto,another old football guy, also worked at The Hollow. Like Joe Lynch and Joe D'Agostino, I was not A Hollow Guy, but I do remember some of the great old-time athletes. I would be remiss if I did not mention Jerry McColgan from North who played ball at The Hollow. Jerry McColgan competed against 2 future Nova Guys-Joe Ryan from The Prep and Jim Grazione from South Catholic. Jerry McColgan, Joe Ryan, and Jim Grazione were All-Catholic Basketball players but Grazione only played football at Nova and he was a great Quarteback-Goo loved Grazione and always rooted for South Catholic. Bor! I am sure that you remembered Ryan and Grazione at Nova. Grazione was one of the great athletes from Philly but your old friend from Fitler was the best-Herb Adderly. John! I am impressed that you are still The Red Baron after all these years-it must be The Florida sun. I trust that both of you,your families,and all your Happy Hollow friends will enjoy Memorial Day Weekend to the fullest.
Schmitty: [05-29-2011]

To ALL who Served THANK YOU!
vera carey canavan, St. Vincent's 1956--Little Flower 1960 [05-29-2011]

I believe I was blessed to grow up in Germantown. Everybody knew everybody and everybody looked out for everybody. It doesn't get any better than that.
Kathleen Mergen Curcio, I grew up in Germantown on Belfield Avenue. I am 73 years of age and now live in Alabama. [05-29-2011]

John Fleming, I think we were in the same class at SFA ('57), am I right? We definitely walked the same beat, although years apart. Before I moved to Oz, I lived and worked for 7 yrs ('82-'89) in Honolulu, at Fort Shafter. You would remember it from your Navy days at Pearl Harbor. I'll bet you, like me, get nostalgic reading 'From Here to Eternity' or watching the movie, because it was filmed at Ft. Shafter, Schofield Barracks, Wheeler AFB and Pearl Harbor. My last task before leaving my job with USA WESTCOM was to negotiate the transfer of Wheeler AFB back to the Army and Ft. Kamehameha to the AF. Best job in the world, that was. My husband-to-be was flying for Qantas and my job took me all over the Pacific, from Honolulu to SFO to Hong Kong and Guam. Both of us on expense accounts and we could coordinate our trips to meet in exotic places. One trip I was negotiating for training land in Saipan for the Army Reserve unit in Guam and then met up with John in Hong Kong. The scuttlebutt was that I went through Guam and Saipan faster than the Japanese, in a rush to get to HK. The 'Jesus Saves' sign in front of the little church near the main gate to Ft. Shafter, immortalized in 'From Here to Eternity' is still there and the beach where that hot love scene between Burt Lancaster and Deborah Kerr is still referred to as 'the From Here to Eternity Beach', not far from Sea Life Park. Burt Lancaster was always one of my favorites; in 'Separate Tables' he broke down his estranged wife's bedroom door; he could have broken down my door any day, in my dreams, at least. It's great you survived your USN days in one piece. Enjoy your special weekend.
Catherine Manning Muir, Outback Oz [05-29-2011]

I salute all the young men who gave their life for our country. God bless them one and all.
HLD [05-29-2011]

Last Tuesday, I listened to an interview on the radio with James Fallows, an American writer of our vintage, now chair of the US Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, discussing the Vietnam era draft. (You can listen by going to http://www.abc.net.au/classic/throsby/stories/s3224674.htm ) He was a law student at Harvard in 1969 and registered with the Cambridge MA draft board, which drew upon Yale and Harvard students. He observed that hardly anyone got drafted from the Cambridge draft board, while the "white proles from Boston" who were registered at the inner-city Chelsea draft board, all got shipped out. Fallows argued that while privileged young men like him believed at the time that they were fighting the war machine by escaping military service on technicalities, such draft deferments actually prolonged the conflict by lowering the stakes for the elites who could have actually done something to stop it—which was why the Johnson administration quietly but deliberately allowed them deferments. (His article in the Washington Monthly is at http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0911.fallows.html ) To all of you who served, many of whom were seriously injured physically and/or emotionally, some of whom I have met via this blog and with whom I now have private correspondence, I wish you a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend. Your service was and is recognized and valued by your peers, friends, former classmates and neighbors. The radio interview I referred to went on for an hour. The discussion about the Vietnam draft begins 24 minutes into the interview and goes on for just over 2 minutes. Slide the bar at the bottom to advance to the start point at 24:00, if you don't care to listen to the whole thing.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-28-2011]

Can't quite get a handle on it, but seems an undercurrent of anger, bitterness, resentment or whatever surfaces on this board from time to time.... The webmaster is such a patient soul.... Lorraine Cupo Kelly, nice memories of Memorial Day in Germantown. I rememeber those parades. I also remember my father taking us to the National Cemetary for the memorial ceremony there. I remember how quiet and solumn it was when you went through those gates. Kids being kids, all it took was one look from my father to put us back in line. The reverence and respect is what I remember most from those ceremonies. I know there is no longer a parade over there but I hope that the Memorial Day ceremony still takes place in that cemetery. Hope all have a happy holiday. Let us all take a few momnets to remember those that made the supreme sacrifice for our freedom. Thhough limited to the fallen heroes from IC Parish, here is a link to the list of men and one woman from the parish who died in WW1 through to today... http://www.friendsofimmaculate.com/Roll%20of%20Honor.htm
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-28-2011]

GERMANTOWN’S HONORED FALLEN IN VIETNAM Since Memorial Day 2010 I have been compiling, with help from Germantown friends, a list of those who died from the Germantown area of Philadelphia in the Vietnam War. I have proposed to the City of Philadelphia to site the memorial at Market Square located at Church Lane and Germantown Avenue. The monument would have to meet standards of the Art Committee still. Estimates for a marker range from 6,000-10,000 dollars in funds to pay for this. Help if you can. I list my contact details below. Many thanks to Maryalice Armstrong Brennan and her husband Vince who compiled a portfolio of pictures for the Market Square site. Thanks also to Erda Graham, Dan Hartnett, Dennis McGlinchey and Donna Reed Miller for submitting names for the memorial. I would particularly welcome anyone with experience in fund-raising as the project is stuck at this level just now. I have looked hard at the list and there may still be others who deserve to be included. Please contact me if you have any details that should be added.


Cpl Rowland J. Adamoli, USMC
A Co. 1st AMTRAC Bn
3rd Marine Div
18 May 1940-18 Aug 1965
(First Philadelphia Marine killed in the war)
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Sp 4 Robert John Chambers, USARMY
HHC 1st BN 27th INF
Age 19 Tour 01/04/68
Died 02/13/68
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Church lane, Germantown Phila Pa.

PFC Joseph Thomas Chatburn, USMC
3rd PLT, I Co, 3rd BN
26th Marines, 1st Marine Division III MAF
April 22 1948-March 16 1969
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PFC Joseph Quinton Conway, USMC
M Co 3rd BN, 9th Marines
July 23, 1944-Sep 02, 1966
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CPL Edward Corcoran USMC
C CO, 1st BN 7th Marines
25 Jan 1946- 17 Oct 1966
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(North Hills Pa.)

PFC Joseph Flanagan
West Rittenhouse Street, Germantown
Died of Agent Orange disease shortly after returning home from Vietnam

SP4 John Joseph Gallagher USARMY
C Battery, 5th BN, 22nd Artillery
52nd Arty Group 1st Field Force USARV
April 21 1944-Dec 17 1969
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CPL Richard Gilliam Jr. USMC
D battery, 2nd BN, 11th Marines, 1st Marine DIV
February 16, 1950-March 19th, 1969
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PFC Albert Kaplan, USMC
Sep 20, 1946-Feb 22, 1968
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SP4 Louis Robert Lordi USARMY
A Co, 2nd BN 3rd INF 199th INF BDE
Oct 07 1947-May 17, 1968
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(North Wales, Pa.)

PFC Thomas Kevin Lyons, USARMY
A Co, 4th BN
31st INF 196th INF BDE
Oct 28 1947-May 01, 1968
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Immaculate Conception Parish, Graduate CDHS

GYSGT Joseph Thomas McCreight USMC
D Co, 7th ENG BN 3rd Marine Div, 111 MAF
Sep 06, 1937-Dec 19, 1966
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LCPL Francis Pennetti, USMC
K Co, 3rd BN, 26th Marine Div
15 June 1947-24 Jan 1968
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Cpl Albert Marshall Reed USARMY
A Co. 2nd Bn 506th INF. 101st Airborne Div USAV
September 06, 1951-October 13th, 1970
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CPL Joseph Francis Schimpf, USARMY
A Co, 1st BN, 5th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Div, USAV
Dec 14, 1948- March 24, 1969
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SGT Raymond Julius Smith USARMY
C Co, 2nd BN, 501st INF
101st Airborne Div
Aug 13, 1947-April 26, 1968
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PFC Donald Charles Wood US ARMY
E Troop, 17th CAV 173rd Airborne Brigade
23 Oct 1949-20 May 1968
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1967 Graduate CDHS

Jim McKernan, 3607 Coventry Court, Greenville, North Carolina, 27858, TEL 252 353 8923, Email: mckernanj@ecu.edu
Jim McKernan [05-28-2011]

On this Memorial Day weekend, may God Bless all of our Military, past, present and future, and their families. Please everyone thank a veteran for all the freedoms we have here in the greatest country on earth. Remember this Memorial Day what the celebration is really all about. Our Military who gave all they have/had to give. The Best... Thank you one and all.
Jane Holt Rauscher, Bell, Florida [05-28-2011]

To send pictures, use private email.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-28-2011]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty: The only way I can think of is by using there email address, if they provide it.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-28-2011]

Jim McKeran, I know you must be proud of your son Ross.. I wish his team all the luck.. Maybe someday the Baseball World Series will really the "The World Series"
Erda Armstrong Graham, From the Westside of Germantown [05-28-2011]

I hope everyone has a safe holiday weekend .. And On Monday please remember those that have paid the ultimate price for our freedom over the lifetime of our great country. That is what Memorial Day is really about!
Erda Armstrong Graham, From the Westside of Germantown [05-28-2011]

Everyone have a safe and pleasant Memorial Day, Respectfully, Linda "F"
L.Fontana [05-28-2011]

Quite a few GTNers went to these spots in WILDWOOD NJ--The Surf Club-The Bolero-The Hurricane--we saw Jonnny Mathis-The Treniers-The Four Freshman-Herbie Fields & don't forget Cozy Morley's Big beat up club where we saw johnny Ray-The DiJohn Sisters & Cozy himself, who put on a great Comedy act of his own, which was legendary-those were the days when you got dressed up when you went to these spots.Lou Giorno
lou giorno, MR G Dos [05-28-2011]

Regarding the Maryann Mitchell case I don't believe she got into the car with him - pieces of her hair were found stuck on the car's jack - I think he got out of the car, hit her with the jack and dragged her ito the car. The only good thing is that I think she may not have been conscious after that and never knew what happened to her after.
Jay Kauffman, Haddonfield NJ [05-28-2011]

JBS: I throughly enjoyed reading your post, and like yourself, have tried to avoid trouble throughout my entire life. While most of my peers were coming of age in the late teens and early 20's, with the "going down the shore" experience, I was fulfilling my military obligation (there's a term you don't hear any more), serving in the US Navy. While most were getting their first taste of freedom and independence from mom and dad, by "going down the shore" and renting a summer home with friends, to see how much they could drink,I was home ported in Pearl Harbor and my "shore" was the beaches of Waikiki and Waimea Bay, with "real" surfing with 30 foot waves were, not the 2-3 waves of the Jersey shore. No I never did anymore then body surf. When I got discharged I gave the "going down the shore" routine a try, but to be honest it was nothing short of being anti climatic for me. I could see how the Jersey shore could be a lot of fun for those stuck in the city all week long. To be sure, there was a lot of great fun to be had with top entertainment. The best I had was seeing Don Ho, when he first got started, and Arthur Lyman. Remember him? Like most my age, I got introduced to the pleasures of adult beverages. Instead of Ballantines, Schmidts or Ortliebs, my choice was Mai Tais. Speaking of Jerry Blavat, who was a friend of CD, by virtue of his dances at Wagners, something else missed. Shortly before I retired, I used to chat with him a couple of times a week, when he was riding his bicycle, on his way to work in center city. He really is a likable guy. We used to play a little rock and roll trivia, and I was able to stump him a couple of times. Having lived in Jersey in my adult years, I spent most of summer months in the local clubs, which were noticeably not as crowded, as many were "down the shore". I never quite understood the mentality of those that, when the clubs closed, they had to seek out more fun at the after hours clubs. Many ventured down the shore for more fun. I always thought, regardless of why you went to a club, if you haven't accomplished your objective, by 2 or 3 in the morning, you either didn't try hard enough, or its just not your night. As we used to say, they should have "Gone home with the Inquirer"
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-28-2011]

CMM: You paraphrased Ben Franklin and Edgar Allan Poe who had lived in Philadelphia-"Believe None of What You Hear and Only Half What You See". At The Hatboro Luncheon, DDT told JBS that CMM went to CA and had a keen intellect. I only believed half of that since CA no longer exists. For some CA ladies half of you must have disappeared when CA disappeared. "Believe only half of what you see, and DDT was tall and am I confabulating or was this tall lady,really tall? DDT seemed to and seems to have good rapport with tall athletes-Bill Haas and Paul Borian. I wondered what happened to your tall pal from LaSalle-Joe Lynch. He was contributing some great blogs to this site. It would be great if Joe Lynch would get together with some old Germantowners and hang out at The Jersey Shore. I am not sure if I could party with DDT and Bor since they had some training at The Dunes-"Dunes Till Dawn" and that was no joke. Many people do not remember the 60's and especially the rich kids who liked to do champagne and reefer. I am lucky to remember the 60's since I only did champagne when it started to rain. The Jersey Shore could be more than just sun and fun. Have patience and the sun will be coming to The Outback.
JBS [05-28-2011]

G-Man and John Payne I thank you for your generous comments. I am sure Ross will do us all proud he has an indefatigable sense for winning. Yes, and thanks to our fathers who gave us (through their taxes) and their hard work, the places that we could play. I especially loved the Germantown Boys Club-my home away from home-do ye recall that typewriter machine that they used to cut the membership cards! It gave me at least a strong sense of belonging. I worked some hours as an assistant with Bud Alexander when I was a student at Temple. We need men with that commitment today. Ireland has never qualified for the World Classic Baseball Tournament. Ye might recall Japan beat Korea in extra innings in 2009-The USA was a 'no-show'.Ireland will face Spain, Finland, Switzerland and Hungary in their group starting July 25 in Barcelona. the top two of the 25 nations will go through to the World Classic. Say your prayers and know that a lil bit o Germantown will take the field on July 25 in Spain.
jim mckernan, professor [05-28-2011]

It's funny how different people being at the same spot or event remember it differently. Ask any law officer who has taken an "eye witness" account of something. All who are on this site add veracity to this. We should not criticize others who remember things differently. Fortunately, I experienced only good times & happy memories at the shore "spots" which also included those in Margate - Maloneys & The Gables.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-28-2011]

Is there a way to send pictures to someone?
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-27-2011]

Dennis McGlinchey: You,Paul Borian,and Denise Duckworth Tumelty talked about your experiences at The Jersey Shore-Ocean City,Somers Point and especially The Famous Dunes. I am a reserved guy and I always tried to avoid trouble and I was very aware of stranger-danger. Consequently, I tried to avoid sharks and the waters that they swam. I knew the Ocean City Area from the 50's and 60's since my uncle owned The St. Charles at 6th¢ral in OC. Lou Pauzano and I had a mutual friend,Ron Rubino,a giant, who was a bouncer at BAYShores. The Dunes and Bayshores were owned by The McCann Family and they had quite a history. Ron R. had some brutal encounters at Bayshores and he was simply doing his job. I knew a tough athlete who had an enounter with The Pittsburg kid,Billy Conn,at Tony Marts. Billy Conn had a home in OC and he almost beat Joe Lewis. After the bars closed in Somers Point and Margate,the party animals headed to "The Dunes. Wise Guys hung out and were connected with various operations in Margate and Somers Point. Jerry Blavett ran Memories in Margate and he was very friendly with Angelo Bruno and he even drove him around. Sal Testa hung out at Memories and he could have been hit there but he was killed at another venue. Back in the day, Tom Cusack was hanging out in Margate at a joint and at closing, he headed to The Dunes with Thomas Goony Walsh and his entourage. Thomas W. had some good elements to his personality but I would never want to cross him or his good friend,Steve Traitz,who ran a gym in Norristown. Tom Cusack has that outgoing Irish personality and a guy chasing skirts could have bogarted Tom and Goony and his friends would have supported Cusack big time. Think about it-4 AM in the morning,8 hours of drinking,being tired, and young men trying to get the waitresses from Tony Marts and Bayshors to go to breakfast on the circle. I am happy that you had no problems at Somers Point but those conditions were ripe for implosive developments. It is Memorial Day Weekend and The Jersey Shore is such a great place to have fun and just chill out.
JBS: [05-27-2011]

I read with some interest the stories about GOO, but I like many could care less about him. I was a FERNHILLER more than a Happy Hollower. I knew Goo, but only in passing. For some he matters and that is fine with me. Everyone has people that made an impact in their lives, and GOO was one of those people, so let his friends talk all they want about this man. We on the other hand only have to glance over the blog and move on. If it makes that person happy, that is all that really matters. Let these people have their Goo, It’s no big deal.

I think what matters to me is this upcoming Memorial Day weekend. This is a time of year that I do not look forward. Over the past years, for some reason, I see this time as a day we as Americans should spend in reflection. Remembrance, rather that Indulgence. I salute all those, regardless of service who have died and have made this truly the GREATEST country of all. I morn their loss, not just on memorial day, but every day of my life. In Vietnam, we used to say that “All of us will go to heaven, for we spent our time in hell.” I know all those who have died on the field of battle are truly in heaven. As one who served, SEMPER FI. Joe DAgostino
Joe DAgostino [05-27-2011]

>Paul Borian - Tony Mart's, Bay Shores, The Dunes - all gone - but not the memories. the reason everyone looked like old guys is because they is us! Gregory's is still alive and thriving. We are going there tonight for taco Thursday. No more 7 for $1 - instead, a bucket of Rocks. I'll have one for you. I'll take some pics & try to send them to your email.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-27-2011]

Here's a 'dog whistle' message: if you don't understand, it's because the message is intended for others, not for you. For those who 'get it', however, my message is this: if you don't know something to be true, assume it isn't. To paraphrase Ben Franklin and Edgar Allan Poe, "Believe none of what your hear (or read) and only half of what you see with your own eyes."
Catherine Manning Muir [05-27-2011]

Prof, Please accept my heartfelt congratulations for a job wall done to you and your son. I wish the playgrounds were filled with kids playing baseball today like they were when we grew up in Gtown.
Gman [05-27-2011]

Jim McK. Congratulations on your son being named to Ireland's national baseball team.
John Payne [05-27-2011]

Actually Pat Sarnese was a terriffic athelete that came from Waterview and was at the Hollow
anonymous [05-27-2011]

Denise, if you were at my children's christenings, it's news to me. Who invited you and how did you know when and where they were being held? Seems like someone would have shared that information with me before this!
CMM [05-27-2011]

Bob Smith, I didn't know that lemon story. It's great. I forgot about starting the plants indoors. We had little pots in the windows and in cold frames in the yard, from February to May. Maybe I blocked it out of my mind since I was the official waterer. Erda, do you remember Mr Worrell had Christmas Trees growing back on that RR ground? One thing I especially remember though is that the tomatoes we all grew actually looked, smelled and tasted fantastic.
Lynne [05-26-2011]

I taught my son, Ross, born in Ireland, all I knew about baseball. I played Babe Ruth, American Legion, Cardinal Dougherty, Philly Brown Bombers, Pen Del league and Temple Universityv before I left for the "old country". I carried gloves bats and balls to Ireland with me over the byeaqrs. About 20 years ago Mr O Malley, the owner of the Dodgers (and the man who discovered Jackie Robinson) gave some bucks for a national field in Dublin. Now there are Little League teams in most Irish towns. I learned pitching and baseball at Waterview and Germantown Boys Club and on my own experience. My son, Ross, was named today to the Ireland National Baseball Team. They will compete this summer in Spain against European teams. The torch is passed. I am full of joy because Ross is a good athlete and loves sport.
Jim McKernan, Professor [05-26-2011]

Bor: Your post about the characters who frequented playgrounds in Germantown including The Hollow, was outstanding. Your buddies from The Hollow had unique personalities and you framed it well when you mentioned Goo Guarinello spanned many generations with his love for The Hollow and the people-Goo was Mr. Hollow and everybody knew that fact. You knew Joe Procopio from Waterview and he was The Goo of Waterview and you were fortunate that you never had to tackle Joe P. when he played for North. Nicky Lazaro had the same aura when he was the man at Chew&Chelten. You and I frequented many playgrounds including Kendrick on Ridge Ave. and you might have remembered some great athletes from there such as Frank Petrellis and Dave Montgomery,The Phillies President. Many Germantowners now live in The Burbs but nothing in Suburbia will ever replace the old neighborhoods and the playgrounds like The Hollow. Germantown has changed and the playgrounds are not the same and many Germantowners like us are now hanging out at The Jersey Shore. I enjoy the shore but I still miss the old neighborhoods and people from G-town.
Schmitty [05-26-2011]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty.....As you may or may not know,I love snow.Back in 1962(?),a good size snowstorm was heading towards Germantown,when it suddenly went out to sea.But,not before dumping a foot of snow at the Jersey Shore.The following day,I borrowed my Dad's 1956 Buick Century and drove to Ocean City to enjoy my snow day.What a beautiful sight!Rough surf and a snow covered beach. Later,I went to Gregory's in Summers Point to celebrate my day in the snow.Much to my surprise,I didn't recognize the joint.It was crowded with old guys shooting darts,playing pool,shuffle board,and bowling games.For a moment,I thought that I had lost my memory.A few years later,in the summer of 1965,my wife to be suggested we go to Tony Marts for a night of fun and frolic.We left her parents house in Sea Isle for what I thought would be a semi-reunion with some of my Sommers Point buddies.It was not to be for this old man at the sea.The patrons looked like teenie boppers.This old "Big Bopper"was lost,but not my wife to be.It seemed like she knew every guy in the joint.I haven't been back since to Tony Marts,Bay Shores,Gregory's and the Dunes.I'm now a mountain boy on ski's.....Paul Borian
Paul Borian, Good thing that I met my wife at Children's Hospital,where we worked,rather than Tony Marts. [05-26-2011]

>CMM - actually Cathy, I did see you after graduation. i was at your children's christenings. I remember mirrored doors in your apartment. Our lives then went in different directions. I always hoped you would have the opportunity to fulfill your potential - and you have. Good on ya!
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-26-2011]

So sorry to hear about Sammy passing. Talk about a Germantown institution he truely was one. I wish I could post something with thick italian accent. May God bless.
Eddie Mc [05-26-2011]

ORVILLE------ Sorry. I can't remember the other Park Guard's name. But I certainly remember that 4 car garage and its uniformed inhabitants. I think we also got a small,shiny, silver, metal-stamped Jr. Park Guard button-hole wearing object to make us "official." take care, frank.
FRANK KLOCK [05-26-2011]

I thought we had declared somewhat of a gag order on stories on this Goo character from the Hollow but people continue to post about him - I think folks on this site not from Wayne and Logan are tired of jumping over these stories about this guy - I know I am ! I am with you Lou G.
Bill Eastsider [05-26-2011]

Next weekend, we will commemorate Memorial Day. As a child, I always looked forward to the celebration of this holiday in our Germantown neighborhood. It brought a sense of excitement to our street. It meant a parade marching through our Haines Street neighborhood on its way to the military cemetery. It meant decorating our bikes with red, white & blue crepe paper & following behind the marching bands. It meant flags flying from the porches of our neighborhood homes. It meant a picnic in the back yard (weather permitting) with family, friends & neighbors. Our home at 1333 E. Haines Street & my aunt & uncle's home, next door at 1335, became our park. Combined, they didn't comprise a very large area; but it had all the amenities we needed. Those yards were full of good people, good food (home-made), & games for both the adults and the children. There was bocce ball; passionately- played pinochle games & Morra, the Italian game of numbers. The competition was always fierce; but friendly. The simple pleasure of watching these games being played by our parents was entertainment enough for "us" kids. Our backyard grills were small, charcoal-filled ones (with LOTS of lighter fluid); but the amount of food that was cooked & passed over their coals seemed to be endless. On this Memorial Day weekend, as I recall the fond, childhood memories of Memorial Days past; I will commemorate the real meaning of Memorial Day & those who made it possible for me to do so. Thanks for the memories.
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; ic '55; cdhs '59 [05-26-2011]

No one has mentioned one of the best athletes to play at Happy Hollow---BEBE ROSSI--I understand he is still playing baseball at the tender age of 76--he lives in Florida. Lou Giorno
lou giorno, mr g dos [05-25-2011]

Sorry to report that Sammy Faia, of the Continental Post, the Italian Club, and Sons of Italy has passed away.
Joe Depero, 54, levittown, st mikes 70. [05-25-2011]

Having lived on E Abbottsford rd from 1960 to 1970. I spent a good bit of time in "Logan Park" also. Sledding on the two rear hills, playing baseball on the upper ball field. Football in the lower ones. Some of the names come to me in fleeting memories. Mark and Joel Harris, Curtis Wright, Bobby Brown, Puddy Manor, Brian Widmier, Andy Corderelli, Paulie Smith, Chrissy Smith, Maggie Wilkenson, Joey, Jimmy, and Angelo Shugart, Billy Slaven, Billy Phillips, The Mickles, Kevin Deacon, Mike Sarracino, Eddie, Timmy, and Maureen O'Neal.........on and on. Did you know that that big old oak tree behind home plate (by the Gtn entrance) is gone. So what is going on with the parks in Germantown? I read that Logan has turned into a jungle? The same thing has happened to the lower field of Fernhill park by the express way ramp on Abbottsford ave. and the big sledding hill on the Roberts Ave side of Fernhill also. They've allowed all four sledding hills from my youth to become overgrown. Must be some kind of liability thing. What a shame for today's kids.
Joe DePero, 54, levittown, st mikes 70. [05-25-2011]

Hi GTN gang. Anyone remember a family by the name of "Roth"? Lived on 100 block of Abbottsford Ave. Father, Warren; Mother ?; Two girls, Phyllis and Mimi(Maryellen). Went to Fittler school early 50's. Moved out of the neighborhood around that time. I sure would like to re-connect with Mimi. Would be in mid-60's now. Thanks for any clues.
Lenora Ciucci, lived at 126 W. Abbottsford Ave. [05-25-2011]

Catharine Manning Muir: Many of the bloggers on this site and especially The Hollow Folks aprreciated your kind,compassionate and poignant comments about the legendary and yet controversial person from The Hollow- Mr. Robert Guarinello. I can only tell you that your step-father,Mike, and his nephew,Johnny Boy would have applauded you for your decent and objective words about that iconic figure from The Hollow. Many of the people on this site, knew both Goo and Mike and they liked both of them. Back in the day, I knew Johnny Boy and he had good friends like Dom Raffaele and he had no problem with Mr. Guarinello. The Raffaele Brothers knew Mike and they were all good friends with Goo Guarinello. You mentioned that good people do not travel with losers and Goo was friends with Paul Borian and Frank Klock and one can tell from their blogs that they are decent people. Frank Klock,Joe Lynch,John Fowler,and The Red Baron[John Payne] were all coached by Goo and they have done well in life-with long and happy marriages. Everybody reads people differently since the brain is so complex. John Fleming went to CD and he might understand Joe Queenan,the writer, from a different perspective, since they are both graduates of CD. Dennis McGlinchey had a different take on CD than John Fleming but this site should be a place for an open forum. Your friend, Joe Lynch, would jest that the only part of my game was a hard drive towards the basket and Irish humor is fine with me-especially Good Humor and pardon the pun. Joe Lynch has been dormant lately and I trust that life is serving him well.I thought Joe L. would post a few remarks about Catholic Education or his old SFA coach from The Hollow. Memorial Day is arriving and many old Germantowers will be heading to the Jersey Shore and as you know, some live there.
JBS [05-25-2011]

Ed Farrar...If you wish to learn more about the History of the Happy Hollow playground,please refer to the archives of earlier submissions,April 1,2011......Paul Borian
Paul Borian, Where have you gone Bobby Goo,Lou Giorno misses you;no,no,no,NO. [05-25-2011]

It sounds like the Ocean City area was like Germantown east (not East Germantown). I never realized that. And now some of us have returned with sand in our shoes. I think I really was only at the Dunes once but I do remember being amazed when I walked out to find daylight. Bay Shores & Tony Marts were our haunts. I was the designated driver for Kenny but it didn't have a name then. He & i actually won a twist contest at Bay Shores. No one considered it weird to enter a dance contest with your brother. In my twenties we switched to Sea Isle. I was such a regular at the OD that my group was often the judges for the talent contest. My 29 year old daughter wears my tee shirt from there & LOVES it. Her friends can not believe her mother went to the OD & tells her daughters about it. So many of you come to OC, why don't we try gathering at Gregory's (serves bucket of Rocks instead of 7 for a dollar) or the Anchorage. We could do an Early Bird Special. :~)
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-25-2011]

JBS: Don't know why you link me with DDT and the Dunes. I haven't seen DDT since CA graduation in 1961 and I didn't do the Cranes and shore bar/club scene. Neither did I hang out with Bill Haas. Your imagination is overactive, mate.:-)
CMM [05-25-2011]

Ed F., Happy Hollow Playground the Oldest in Philadelphia is located at Wayne Ave. & Logan St.
West Side Guy [05-25-2011]

Ed Farrar> "The Hollow" is shor for Happy Hollow, which is the name of a recreation center on the West side of Germantown. It is located at Wayne and Logan, and is the oldest recreation center in the city according to a link that was posted earlier on this site.
John Payne, "if you build it, they will come." [05-25-2011]

JBS, I certainly was not a regular at The Dunes, but did go there quite a few times back in the day when down the shore. Honestly, I just never saw it as the rough and tumble place that you mentioned it to be. I only have good memories of good times there.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-25-2011]

Bob Smith.. I loved your story about the Gardens.. But I am sure that Mr. Boylan had a few words that could not be repeated when he found the lemons.. He was colorful with his vocabulary.. But none of us dared to repeat any of them.. Not even his children used any of the colorful words he used.. It was a good time grow in a neighborhood like ours.. All the neighbors got along.. Lynn I also remeber the garden your mother had along the hill by the railroad.. Several people on that side of Morris Street used that ground for gardens..
Erda Armstrong Graham, From the Westside of Germantown [05-24-2011]

Frank KLOCK its been a long time since we seen each other. You mentioned Junior Park Guards. I remember one of the two Parks Guards who had the steady beat at Logan Park, Mr. MC PEAKE. Frank do you remember the name of the other Park Guard? Frank do you remenber the four car garage on the west side of the mansion. The Park Guards would use it as their office. The had a platoon with a chair on it. The Park Guards could see the entrance road to the park. They would watch for there Sergeant to come and check on them and sign their logs.
Orville T. BALLARD, sfa 56, nechs 60 [05-24-2011]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty: The ladies from Cecilian Academy on this web-site never cease to amaze me-especially You and Catharine Manning Muir. Both of you are attuned to the human-condition, you as a teacher and Cathy showing so much compassion for the deceased legend from The Hollow-Robert Goo Guarinello. However, it surprises me that you visited The Dunes and Cathy lives in The Outback. Crocodile Dundee types could be found in both venues. You have read Hollow Paul Borian's posts where he rises presently the same time now that he left The Dunes in his youth. Lou Pauzano,from The Hollow, was too tired although he was fairly young to visit The Dunes at those very late hours. You remember Brother Ken's classmate at SFA,Tom Cusack, who entered The Dunes with some Damon Runyan characters and I am be charitable. I had observed these characters from other venues such as The Celebrity Room,operated by Lillian Reis, and many clubs on Erie Ave.,such as The Randolph Club. My favorite club was The Continental at Wissy&Hansberry. The clients at The Continental were veterans who threw hand-grenades,jumped out of planes,did military reconnaisance but we were nervous when these characters entered the Continental. These rugged dudes liked The Dunes during the summer and traveled with their friends, Smith&Wesson if you know what I mean. Most of the time, these friends were kept in the trunk. If they liked a lady, it was best to go to another spot at the bar. I can only tell you that Goo Guarinello of The Hollow was a choir-boy next to some of the dudes who hung out in the wee-wee hours of the night at The Dunes. I was not a good poker-player like Paul Borian and Frank Klock but I did know when to fold and hold. I did not want to try my luck at The Dunes. You and Cathy Manning,along with Bill Haas and Joe Lynch would have been quite a group at The Dunes on a hot summer morning-night in the 60's.
J.Bruce Schmitt [05-24-2011]

Problems only arise on this board when folks only want to talk about what they want to talk about. Some even leave in a dust-unsettling huff when that doesn't happen. Really, so what if Goo comes up in discussion here from time to time? He was a part of some folks' Germantown history. Personally, I didn't know him and couldn't care less otherwise. But, I did find some of those stories interesting. Skip over what doesn't interest you. I do it all the time.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-24-2011]

I came out of Dunes to be welcomed by the new day a few times. Can't even imagine doing that these days. The energy of youth..... The Bongo Room was always a favorite, especially on Sunday nights with the Fabulous Greaseband. Sea Isle's Dolphin Bar and the OD were also favorites from that time... Great times outside of Germantown.....
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-24-2011]

Dunes, Tony Marts and the Bongo Room were all mentioned here recently. For a nice trip down memmory lane of the South Jersey shores, check out the link below to a photo album of Shore memories. There are photos of all three of those now-gone nightspots here. CLICK
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-24-2011]

Bloggers no offense, but where the heck is the "Hollow". Anyone know what it stands for? What are the boundaries? I was from the Haines and Magnolia area. Just curious!
Ed Farrar, Chester Va [05-24-2011]

Schmitty...Your 5/23 post was right on.Back in the day,the numerous Philly neighborhoods were adorned with characters who ruled the roost.We at the Hollow had more than our fair share.However,one guy stood head and shoulders above the rest,because he was always there.Most of us would put in our time,then move on.But Mr Happy Hollow was always hanging on the corner.When it was time for me to move on,the younger Frankie Klock moved in.That's how is was until sadly the neighborhood deteriorated.Here in the Burbs,something is missing;THEIR ARE NO CHARACTERS......Paul Borian
Paul Borian, Fifty years ago, I was hanging on the corner.Now,it seems,I am hanging on to my lawn mower every other day. [05-24-2011]

For a brief moment just now, I became my grandmother, sitting contentedly in a wing chair beside an open fire, reading a novel about quilting, with my three cats sleeping in their special spots around the room: Pumpkin on the back of the sofa, Lacey on her cushion before the fire and Nessie curled up in the other wing chair. I flashed back to the sight of my grandmother in her wing chair, crocheting, visible as I walked up the path to her house on Adams Avenue, near Castor, those many years ago. She was the most wonderful cook and the best invitation we could get was to have dinner at her house, oyster pie or prime rib. She recited the recipe for oyster pie for me but I've never been able to duplicate hers, not nearly creamy enough and not as white and flavorful. Her cinnamon buns with raisins were better than Shenks' although Shenks' were fantastic and smelled wonderful on Saturday mornings. It's pouring rain all day today, all that water now going into our new 10,000 gallon rainwater tank, instead of flooding the side yard. All in all, a very contented and cozy day. When I was small, I used to love to take the trackless trolley from just below Wayne Junction all the way to Adams and Castor Aves and then walk around the block to Grandmom's house where she had lived since the Depression. When she moved to Park Drive Manor in 1980, I missed that warm, cozy nest at 4661 Adams Ave. Looking at the neighborhood on Google Earth now, I think it's all gone, the houses, the open space, the playground out back, everything. Progress. What memories do other bloggers have of grandparents long gone, I wonder. Meanwhile, I'm cozy in front of the fire with the rain flowing into my tank to feed next spring's garden.
Catherine Manning Muir, channeling my grandmother [05-23-2011]

John Bruce Schmitt: Lest I be accused of "Catholic Bashing", let the record show that I agree with you and at the core, Catholic Education had, shall we say good intentions, and was good and not evil. I will take it one step further and state, that I was never really what you would say "academically motivated". I always looked at "going to school" as being a necessary evil. I never considered or pursued getting a college education. Keep in mind that this was still at time when a male could get a decent paying blue collar job. In my travels after high school, I not only worked with other CD grads, but ran also into countless others that were policemen, plumbers etc. Looking back my experience of going through the Catholic School system, did help make my entrance into the U.S. Navy somewhat easier, as I had the discipline to "follow the rules". Being in an academic section at CD, I was well prepared for the electronics school that the Navy sent me to. Part of my training also involved naval tactics, and the use of different equipment and charts for navigation. I was able to pick it faster then most in my class, and ended up teaching some of my "shipmates" the skills they needed to graduate. I would recommend reading Queenans book, if for nothing else then his chapter on CD. It's really a shame that individual that really had a rough childhood, doesn't have a more positive attitude toward life and his fellow man.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-23-2011]

I was afraid that mentioning my garden here in The Outback would offend the purists who want this blog only to discuss Germantown. However, I'm delighted that it generated so much discussion about gardens in the old neighborhoods. I must be dense, however, because I didn't 'get' the story about the string of lemons. Please explain. I am so impatient for my huge tomatoes to ripen before the frost. Seems to be taking forever, probably because the days are so short and winter arrives next month. Every evening I'm out there with the black plastic bags to cover the tomato and pepper plants until morning. I hope the taste will prove to be worth the TLC and the wait! PS: Joe Lynch, where have you gone?
Catherine Manning Muir [05-23-2011]

I see a trend starting: slanging off at the late Bob 'Goo-Goo' Guarinello. I hope the Webmaster enforces his prerogative to "omit sections of postings that include personal attacks". I never knew Goo-Goo, but I knew some of the guys who think he was a good bloke, and they were OK, so he must have had many good points, as well as bad, just like the rest of us. The man is dead and has faced his Last Judgment, so lets not cyber-bully him when he can't defend himself. As our mothers used to say "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
Catherine Manning Muir, Outback Oz [05-23-2011]

Okay. Goo comes up in conversation here periodically. Let's have a cooling off period now. Please refrain from posting about Goo for awhile.

Vera: would you have expected anything different since the united states council of bishops and their donors paid over million for the report. They conveniently omit the good that came from the protests of the sixties.
Louis F Pauzano, sr, South phila [05-23-2011]

To Glock ---HUH? Not a bad actor? Define BAD ACTOR--GOO GOO would pick on younger kids & try to humiliate them in front of their friends-would always challenge people only if he knew he had the advantage-not a bad actor?? Maybe he did these things because he was not the best looking of guys & did these things to cover up his ugliness--he had a mean streak in him that could not be satisfied unless he demeaned people. LOU GIORNO
lou giorno, mr g dos [05-23-2011]

Frankie Baggs Klock: It's been many years since you've been called "Frankie" and Orville Ballard "Buddy". In those years, Bor could stretch a single into a double and he is now a tired jock. Like you, I enjoyed Logan Park and my SFA classmates and I would enter the park through the gate at Greene St. and play football after school. I was very saddened by Bud Ballard's present description of Logan Park. Cathy Manning Muir, Joe Lynch's friend, mentioned that Philadelphia is restoring the beautiful old mansion on the hill-The Louden House. In one of your posts, you made some comments about your old coach and friend-Bobby Goo Guarinello. From my observation, I never found him to be a braggart or a bully. Yes! He had a swaggart and I could never say that he was humble. You knew Bill Haas since you played on that great SFA team when Goo was the coach. I can tell you from personal experiene that Bill H. was not easy-going and Goo handled him well. Goo and Bor should have mentored BIll in later years and he probaly would have been a great professional player- he was an awesome hitter. I did see Goo have altercations with various people including Bob LaValle. My older brother,Cactus Jack,told me never to get into an argument with Bob LaValle since he was one tough gladiator. Goo and Bobby really got into it but that does not make Goo a bully. Goo took my money when we shot hoops but he never talked to me in a condescending manner and rubbed it in and told me to be a runner for a soda at Moe's. Goo had warts but who doesn't. Father Blee S.J. fired Jack McKinney whom you knew from Hawk Hill- a great coach. You,Bor, and Jack Brogan have street-smarts and you would not have been friends with a fudging bully. I always thought that Goo was simply a piece of work. He was the man at The Hollow, just like Joe Procopio at Waterview, Jesse Turner and Herb Adderly in Pulaski-town and Sea Breeze in Francisville Playground in North Philly. There was probaly a Goo-Goo type guy in Water-tower in Beautiful Chestnut Hill. His name is mentioned frequently since many Hollow Guys post on this site icluding old poker players like you and Bor. Frank! We must focus on baseball since your new friend Chase U. is coming back this week-GO Phillies!
Bruce S. [05-23-2011]

The Goo shtick is getting old. As far as him being a great athlete no one from OLR or Waterview has heard of him. Was he kept as a hollow secret??
Gman [05-23-2011]

I did not think the sexual abuse cover up could get any worse----wrong-THE U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops blame the sexual upheaval of the 60's as a reason for abuse---and to be considerd a pedophile your victim would be under 10--"GEE OFFICER HE LOOKED 11 to me" What a disgrace!Shame on them!
vera carey canavan, St. Vincent's 1956--Little Flower 1960 [05-22-2011]

Lynne, I do remember your mother’s garden, behind your back yard fence. I think there was a wooden gate going back and you were up high from the tracks [Chestnut Hill Local]. When the trains passed you had to look down to see them. That was a productive garden, with almost every square inch utilized. Your Mom had a huge kitchen and was always in it; or out or out on the front porch talking with passing neighbors. My Grandfather had a big garden down on our end of Morris Street, almost everyone did. I remember Erda’s father, my grandfather, and another neighbor Bill Boleyn had a competition each year who would have the first ripe tomato. They would always try new hybrids for early production, always Burpee; finally all of the plants had to be started from seed, indoors. One year on the Fourth of July, I got up and went downstairs to the kitchen I stood there in the hall way watching my grandfather poking holes in lemons, at the table. It was barely light out; we were the typical first people up in the house; so it was not unusual for me to be there with him. He didn’t even look up from his task and asked me to get the string. He carefully threaded the string through each lemon and asked me to stand guard while he jumped the fence into Armstrong’s yard and then over to Bill’s house, lemons in hand. I was pretty young then but distantly remember when I finally figured out what he was going to do. All morning he looked out the window waiting for Bill to make an appearance in the yard. The Boleyn’s were rowdy folk who liked to keep late hours. Everyone in my house filtered down to the kitchen one by one, 9, 10,11AM. I kept his secret, not letting on to anyone about the lemons. Frequently we would catch each other’s eyes and laugh or just smile: I thought this would surly give us away; but it didn’t. Finally the back door opened and Bill made his approach, it was a long walk to the back. Next thing I know my grandfather was already in the garden with a spray can of insecticide and a cloud all around him. My grandfather spoke first “hey Boleyn how are those Early Boys doing this year?” For me at the time the response was a bit of a disappointment: “well Walt it looks as if I just found the lemon from my gin & tonic last night”.
Bob Smith, Erwinna PA [05-22-2011]

Lou Giorno - I commend you for your post of 5/20. I didn't even know the guy but I'm sick of hearing about him from the Goo Goo Groupies !
anonymous [05-22-2011]

ORVILLE "BUDDY" BALLARD------ Hi Buddy. In the late 50's at Logan Park, I was a JR. PARK GUARD under your "command." I lived at the base of the Park at Greene St, a couple houses up the red brick hill at 117 W. Abbottsford Ave. Many great memories of that wonderful Eden. frank klock.(SFA'58--NECHS'62--SJC'67)
FRANK KLOCK [05-22-2011]

LOU GIORNO--- GOO GOO GUARINELLO may at times have been a bully,braggart, and wise guy----but NEVER EVER was he a BAD ACTOR----He was a GREAT ACTOR ! I rode in Pistoria's truck several times and worked two summers at Ace and Diamond Rug Cleaners. GOO GOO KLOCK (Chairman of the Committee to Name Everyone GOO GOO.)
"GOO GOO" KLOCK [05-22-2011]

YO ! BOR ! You have all your priorities straight---EXCEPT---the one you need. As GOO would say," BOR---STRAIGHTEN UP AND FLY RIGHT !" your pal,frankie baggs.
FRANK KLOCK [05-22-2011]

Bud Ballard: Sounds like Logan Park has gone down the toilet like mostly everything else in Germantown. However, the mansion ('Loudoun')has recently been restored inside and out after a catastrophic fire and has apparently been fenced off. Not yet open to the public. See the website provided below.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-22-2011]


Denice--Logan Mansion-Logan park are one in the same---the really best for sledding in that area-were you aware that the back part of the park had some small hills for sledding? Lou G- By the way,you never responded that your family were customers of Pistoria Cleaners on GTN AVE.
lou giorno, mr g dos [05-22-2011]

John Fleming: Your last blog was excellent,with great comments about CD,Catholic Education, and many guys from CD and Germantown including John Tiller from St. Madeline's who played basketball for The LaSalle High Explorers and The St. Joe Hawks. John T. was an African-American and a pioneer in that he was one of the first Black Players at LaSalle and St. Joe. He had a big game against Princeton with Bill Bradley in The NCAA Tournament. John did well with his Catholic Education and he was a decent guy, having known him from Germantown and Hawk Hill. You and Dennis McGlinchey made some poignant remarks about Joe Queenan, the famous writer and humorist from CD. I never read the book where he apparently put down CD. I would agree with Dennis that he should have given CD more credit for his intellectual and educational development. Queenan praised the druggists at Kodner's Pharmacy in East Falls for much of his development in his youth and helped him through life. There was also a Kodner Pharmacy at Wayne&Seymour in West Germantown. larry Bolger was in your class at CD and I knew him from Hawk Hill where he was a track star and a great guy-one of the best. Larry was a Brave Marine and he made the ultimate sacrifice in Viet Nam. I knew Rodger and Bob Harrington from CD and I attended Bob Harrington's retirement when he retired from coaching CD after many years. I knew many of his CD buddies including Dave Fecek and Jack Boyle from the football team. I knew many guys from CD and they were good people and lead productive lives. CD was not perfect but by and large,in my opinion, it performed adequately. You have been very candid and honest with your expression of apathy toward the closing of CD. I do regret that you are devoid of emotion with this aforementioned condition. Lou Pauzano,from The Hollow and The Prep, will attend a Golden Hawk Luncheon with me in lovely North Piladelphia-17th&Giard. These Preppers did not like everything at The Prep but we appreciated the good education and values that we received at this great Catholic Institution. I agree with the anonymous blogger who mentioned that values should be taught at home but it is a big plus if it is reinforced at school. The values that I gleaned from Catholic Education has helped me to survive obstacles in life. I was very unhappy when my friend from East Germantown,Pat Sweeney, was asked to leave The Prep after he had a confrontation with The Principal in our senior year. The Jesuits are not always a box of choclates. Jack McKinney,The St. Joe College Basketball Coach, was fired by Father Blee,The AD, because the players were not disciplined enough-BS. John! I am not naive when it comes to these matters and I concur with much of your commentary about Catholic Education. Simply put,My take on Catholic Education is that the core of it was good and not evil.
John Bruce Schmitt [05-22-2011]

CMM: Your post brought back great gardening memories. During the 50's & 60's we had a big garden and grew tomatoes, peppers, radishes, chard, lettuce, cukes, green beans, etc. We leased some more ground behind our yard from the Penna. RR for $1.00 a year and grew asparagus, rhubarb and watermelon. We also had apple, seckle pear and cherry trees, herbs, and various berry bushes. We had plenty of canned food and jelly over the winter. My mom not only made pickles, but she also pickled tomatoes and watermelon rinds (which I never liked), and saurkraut. A couple of houses down from ours had grape vines and they made enough wine for the entire neighborhood. One day my mom was looking out a third floor window and commented on the very tall and healthy looking plants in another neighbors yard, intermingled with their tomato plants. Who knew that at eye level you could not detect those many pot plants.
Lynne [05-21-2011]

Attention Lou QIORNO Logan Park was bound by Unit block of Apsley street on the south and Unit block of Wyneva Street on the north. Germantown Avenue on the esst and Greene street on the west. I lived at 4603 Germantown Avenue from 1941 to August 15, 1963. The area is worst part of Germantown. It is like a war zone The houses beginning with 4605 thru 4613 the houses have been torn down, LEVELED. LOGAN park is more like a junkle. It is impossible to enter the park at Germantown and Apsley and walk thru to the gates at Greene and Abbottsford Avenue. The Fairmount Park Commission has abandoned Logan Park.I kid you not The only entrance to the Woods is on Germantown Avenue an Abb0ttsford Avenue.The south and west ends of the woods is so overgrone with weeds and trees it is impossible to walk in this area. I lived across from LOGAN Park as a kid and have many great memories of sleding inthe park and playing baseball and football. The park is a total diaster. Bud.
Orville T. BALLARD, sfa 56, nechs 60 [05-21-2011]

Bor: I enjoyed your comments about baseball and the aging process. Apparently a few other bloggers connected with your post. I remember you from The Hollow when your deadly weapon was the Louisville Slugger which you used for those space shots over right field near Moe's. There were some negative comments about your friend and mentor-Bobby Goo Guarinello. It was mentioned that he was a bully. I knew both of you from The Hollow in the 50's and I never had an encounter with either one of you. Goo was no saint and had warts like all of us. I tried to beat him in pig and I lost to him for a few quarters but I gained a valuable lesson in life in that there are individuals who are simply better. I know that he supported your baseball career when you played for Nova and also your professional career. He would have been happy if you killed the ball like Harmon Killebrew whom you might have known from The Minnesota Twins since you were in that system. I was younger than Goo and he was always friendly with a dynamic personality. I never knew anybody who disliked him. I know guys like you,Jack Brogan, and Frank Klock liked him a lot. Bill Haas, with his unique personality, had good rapport with Goo. As you know, Goo liked to gamble and I did witness some altercations when money was involved. He was one of the icons of The Hollow, just like Rocky Raffaele. My observation of Goo and Rocky and your other poker buddies were that they were a bunch of characters who could walk on The Wild Side." May Goo and Rocky Rest In Eternal Peace".
Schmitty [05-21-2011]

Bruce: you gave me too much credit for common sense. Had to leave because I had to drive back to Avalon. Some nights it was a long drive. But I do remember seeing the sun come up over the Townsens Inlet bridge more than once when I was delayed on my way back home.
Louis F Pauzano, sr, South Phila. [05-21-2011]

I can't believe so many of you frequented the haunts in Somers Point & DUNES til Dawn & I never met you. The movie EDDIE & THE CRUISERS was filmed at Tony Marts the year before it was torn down. If you haven't seen it, do so. It's a wonderful trip down memory lane.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-21-2011]

Lou - by Logan Mansion, do you mean Logan Park? That was the best place ever to go sledding. The double hill gave options for us younger ones. My brother played ball there all the time. he lost many base balls to one of the neighbors' yards.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [05-21-2011]

May 21,2011, 6:00 PM? I await the final curtain.
Frank S. / Hoboken [05-21-2011]

My Dear Red Baron--------- Well done. A bit late, but you ARE getting it. Joe Bonge "J.T.S.Brown--No ice,no glass."
Joe Bonge [05-21-2011]

Schmitty....The last thing the Phillies need is another left-handed bat.Thus,Billy Haas and I can be of no help.Speaking for myself,if I ever got a hit,I doubt that I could ever make it to first base.I would need a designated runner.Sommers point brings back great memories.I am proud to say that I am a survivor.Fifty years ago,I was leaving the Dunes at 6 a.m.Now,I'm getting up at the same time after a good nights sleep(lucky me).By the way,are you enjoying the rainy season? Look at the positive side,it's good drinking weather.....Bor
Paul Borian, I can't get no satisfaction. [05-21-2011]

CMM, Good point ... :>) rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-21-2011]

Lou Giorno: actually the name was "Loudoun" or "Loudon" Mansion, built by Thomas Armat starting in 1796, but we always called it "Logan', as in "Logan Park" instead of "Loudon Park". Yes, it was my playground when I lived at Greene and Wyneva and I spent many hours on the front steps of the mansion, playing jacks or just sitting and thinking. There's a lovely photo of it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4650_Germantown_Loudon.JPG and lots of info if you Google.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-21-2011]

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