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May 11-20, 2011

Joe Bonge, made it to second place in a local tournament. Third place the week before. Am I finally starting to get it?
The Red Baron, "it's like the cue is connected to your arm, like it has nerves" [05-20-2011]

Frankie Baggs.....Afternoon Delight could be having sex with a loved one,getting painted at a tatto parlor,watching the Flyers win the Stanley Cup (remember that Sunday afternoon in May 1974),getting fried on the beach,shoveling your driveway after a foot of snow,watching a Hopalong Cassidy movie,reading a book,watching the Eagles beat the Cowboys,mowing the lawn,having a couple of brewski's while shooting the bull with your buddies,but for me,it is going four for four,with two homers and six rbi's in a winning baseball game.What do you think?Do I have my priorities straight?.....Bor
Paul Borian, Chase,you the man,rejoin the Phils and hit a grandslam. [05-20-2011]

I'm sick & tired reading about how great GOO GOO was--I knew him as a big bully-braggert-& a wise guy--I'm sure others share my feelings but are afraid to make comments(I don't know why)-there are not too many I dislike,but he was the first on my list of bad actors. Lou Giorno
lou giorno, mr g dos [05-20-2011]

Paul Borian's reference to his transition (hopefully gradual) from 'afternoon delight' to 'afternoon nap' made me think of the recently-resigned IMF chief, accused of sexual assault in a NYC hotel. I would have thought that, at his age, he could only be charged with assault with a dead weapon.
CMM [05-20-2011]

Saw in an earlier post a question as to the location of Spence's hardware store...it was at 4942 Germantown Ave.
Elena Eaton [05-20-2011]

Dennis McGlinchey, I don't remember seeing a headstone for a dog at Awbury. I buried about four dogs there using my cast iron firebacks as headstones. Awbury was dog heaven. I always had two or three. You could just open the door and let them run free. with the neighbors dogs we would have about six dogs laying around the yard. Buried a few cats as well. I got Sennamut as a kitten when I moved there in 1977. He died on his 20th Birthday in 1997. He was the best cat ever. He loved dogs. Senmut would go for walks in the woods with me and the dogs. an indoor/out door cat, I never had to use any cat litter. The best dog was adopted from a pack of wild dogs by housemate Bob Moore (of Erringer Place). Fred, he lived for the ball. We thought he was an old beagle mix when we brought him in. Two years later he broke a back leg and it would not heal. Had it amputated. Lived for another 15 years! He would chase the ball, drop on his stump and turn on a dime to get the ball. Fred is also buried at Awbury.
Del Conner [05-20-2011]

Lou Pauzano: There have been many posts from Hollow Guys-You,Bor,Frankie Baggs,and Goo was mentioned. You and Bor are still tired from all the partying that you did at The Jersey Shore. Tom Cusack and Bor are really tired since they were hanging with the night owls at The Dunes after they left Tony Marts and Bay Shores in Somers Point. Lou! You,being a Hawk, had common sense and headed home after leaving Tony Marts or Bayshores. At Bayshores, our mutual friend,Ron Rubino[RIP] was the bouncer. We are approaching Memorial Day and many Germantowners like you and The Bor will be heading for The Jersey Shore. It's hard to believe that Paul Borian's afternoon delight will be falling asleep on the beach reading a book. Another Hollow Guy, Frank Klock, will be writing poetry. Paul Borian mentioned that The Phillies hitting will surface- 2 old Germantowners,Bill Haas and Bor could hit better than some of The Phillies hitters. I always get flashback from 1964. However, I am not opposed going to a Phillies game since you have connections in South Philly. God Willing, I will see you and The Golden Hawks in beautiful North Philly- I must be getting tired since the neighborhood around The Prep looks better and safer.
Bruce S. [05-20-2011]

anthony g Maybe we could meet some Fri. My husband and I would like to talk over old times.
dottie g [05-20-2011]

Hi Bruce S. Funny you should bring up Joe Queenan. Did you read his book "Closing Time", which he devotes one chapter to his experience at CD, in less then glowing terms? I read the book, and as I remember he described the learning process at CD as being something in the line of a meat factory with the faculty just going through the motions. There is no doubt that the man has a fantastic command of the English language, but it requires keeping a dictionary and thesaurus close at hand, if you want to absorb all he has to write. Overall I did enjoy reading the book, as I was able to visualize all the places he wrote about, and was able to almost make a movie about it in my mind. I will also admit, that at times I did enjoy his caustic sarcasm manner of writing, but overall, he came off to me as just being a pompous ass. I base this opinion one having a short telephone conversation with him, and viewing some of his TV appearances on YouTube. It's sad that he couldn't direct his writing in a more positive way. I also read a couple of his other books, and they had all the same underlying theme. He likes to ridicule people that enjoy, shall we say, less then cultural interests. Yes Bruce, I am completely apathetic toward CD and its closing. Overall I had a great 4 years there and will always keep all the great memories, but didn't personally feel any sadness at its closing. Larry Bolger sat next to me in Senior year, and as you probably know, was a causality of Viet Nam. Rodger Harrington was a year behind me. Dan Fleming was no relative. John Tiller? Was he a tall black guy, that played basketball for LaSalle high school? I was the schools statistician, for the football and basket team my junior and senior year, and remember seeing him play. I would concede that among the hundreds of thousands that have gone through the Philadelphia Catholic School system, there exist those that posses Schadenfreude. It just hasn't been my experience, when connecting with grads, that any have felt that way. At best, or shall I say worse, any have felt, is all the silliness we were put through in the name of discipline. Sorry, but I can't follow the words of Bob Marley, who I only just recently got acquainted with, by virtue of our last cruise. The man came to my attention after seeing the island of Jamaica with T-shirts with his image plastered all over the place. Being a Navy veteran, I prefer to follow the words of John Paul Jones, father of the US Navy (some say it was John Barry, but John Paul Jones remains rest in a crypt under the chapel at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. Take your choice) "I have not yet begun to fight"
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-20-2011]

With the recent post about Monsignor Magarity and the Irish Revolution, and a recent gift, I was struck by the Queen of England’s visit to Ireland yesterday. The product of a “mixed marriage”, my father English Episcopalian mother Irish Catholic, first four years at Fitler last four of grade school at Saint Francis, I was aware of the inter-Irish tensions. Dad was no fan of the Monsignor. When I learned of the Monsignor’s brother it lead me wonder if my father knew of it. At a meeting of the Association of Philadelphia Tour Guides the other night friend and fellow member Lou Ferrero, also member of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia headquartered just down the street form me at historic Physick House, gave me a copy of a talk given by my great grandfather, Philip Syng Physick Conner, to the second meeting of the American Catholic Historical Society May 5th, 1887. Coincidently that Society’s headquarters is today next-door to where the house my grandfather grew up in and witnessed the Catholic Riots of 1842. He and his brother were taken from that house by my great, great grandmother and moved a block south to her sister’s house, Physick House, while the U.S. Army occupied their mansion as headquarters while protecting St. Mary’s across S. Fourth Street, and Old St. Joe’s around the corner and down the back alley. Her husband, Commodore David Conner, was in the Gulf of Mexico commanding the naval forces, as he would be until 1847. As I had mentioned in a previous post, while at SFA my class had a James Connor and me, James Conner. I wonder how many classmates knew what that slight difference in spelling might suggest?
Del Conner [05-20-2011]

JBS, It's nice how you credit your Catholic education for your moral values, but I believe that most of us received the basics at home and the rest was reinforced at school...be it Catholic or Public. With that being said, teenagers will be teenagers and I never noticed the difference between Catholic and Public school kids when it came to morals, good AND bad.
anonymous [05-20-2011]

Is there anyone out there that remembers Logan Mansion as a place to go sledding -playing pickup baseball games etc ? I'm surprised that no one ever mentions this great recreation place. Lou Giorno
lou giorno, mr g dos [05-20-2011]

JBS, very well said.... "However, I think that most of us should reflect on the great learning and moral values that were instilled into us at the various Catholic Schools in Germantown and Philly"... No, they weren't perfect, and some things should not have been done (like the adventures of the headbanging Fr. Benonis and Blackjack Donahue) but they established a great foundation and springboard for what we were to later accomplish in our lives.... You mentioned Joe Queenan... I read his book. While he has some legitimate gripes with his parents, particularly the father, he came across as an angry soul... He acknowledges the role his two childhood employers had in shaping his life and outlook, but fails to acknowledge, other than put down, the role that the Catholic schools he attended (for free, from scholarships and grants) had in his success... That was one of the things I took away from that book - his ingratitude. Fact is, he would not be where he is today had he not been given the opportunities that the Catholic Church gave him (thru elementary, high school and college)......
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown... [05-20-2011]

Mr. Borian, I remember when Goo Goo and you were two of the best athletes from Happy Hollow. It was sad to read a big slugger like you, had to lay down his bat and is too tired for an afternoon delight. Goo Goo would want you to keep swinging. A good idea would be for you to go for a matinee or a midnight special. If that does not work, you could walk with The Lord on Sunday. Goo Goo and his new friends, Saint Peter and Saint Augustine will be watching.
anonymous [05-18-2011]

Bruce: just remonicing about Saturday nights at Bay Shores, Tony Marts and the Bongo room in Avalon as well as Sunday afternoon jams at the Whitebriar. Will be at the Golden Hawks on the 9th
Louis F Pauzano, Sr, South phila. [05-18-2011]

John Fleming: I surmise from your last blog that you are apathetic about Catholic Schools and Education notwithstanding the fact that you had a Catholic Education which gave you the foundation for your superb writing skills which you posit on this site. One has to be naive not to know that there are people who have Schadenfreude when Catholic Schools close. There are also people who are joyous when voucher-progams are voted against. My point was to see that the glass is half-full with Catholic Education and not to simply magnify the negative elements of our Catholic Education. My brothers went to North and I had friends at CD and I heard about the bullies at these institutions. I had a bully at The Prep and my friend,Pat Sweeney, and I knocked him down when we played football. However, I think that most of us should reflect on the great learning and moral values that were instilled into us at the various Catholic Schools in Germantown and Philly. I played ball against a Dan Fleming and John Tiller at GBC and they recieved a good education at Catholic Schools. Possibly, Dan was related to you. I knew a few lads from your class at CD,Tom Rooney,Larry Bolger,Roger Harrington,and Kevin McKernan from this web-site, and they all write well and were astute thinkers. Joe Queenan went to CD and he is one of the great writers and humorists in America. Joe lived in the East Falls Project and his father had a problem but his education at CD and St. Joe gave him the basis for a great literary career. John ! Remember Bob Marley! "Get Up,Stand Up,Don't Give Up The Fight".
Bruce S. [05-18-2011]

BOR------- Really enjoyed your "prayers at the plate..." post and your"transitional,positional adjustment." May your sex life be as good as your credit. frankie.
FRANK KLOCK [05-18-2011]

Del Conner - do you know if there is still a concrete grave marker for a dog up in Awbury? I thought it might be by the Cope House, but it might have been by one of the houses just east of it. I remember it from my time exploring the park as a kid. I went looking for it when I was up in the park a few years back but couldn't find it. Just curious. Just one of the many things I remember of Awbury.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-18-2011]

CMM ­ I recently read a case where a guy in Philly that was trying to find out the outcome of the caregiver that killed his 2 yo brother back in 1967. He was 4yo and witnessed the murder, which happened in Germantown at 29 E. Seymour Street. He was going up against roadblocks and missing files, just as you are. There was a simple answer, she was declared unfit to go to trial, so there was no trial record, and she was sent to a state psychiatric hospital. But, in his determination to get answers, he came across a number of people who were able to help and guide him to the people who could give him the answers he was looking for. If you belong to Facebook, search and contact him there. His name is Charles J Stecker Jr. His 2yo brother. He also has a FB group setup on his brother, Eddie Stecker. I read the story in Philadelphia Weekly local newspaper. Very sad story. Contact him for leads and advice. Can’t hurt and might lead you to the people who can provide you answers. Good luck
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-17-2011]

I have an idea- let's all move back into Germantown (JBS - you first) and have all our grand kids enjoy in the inner city Catokic schools that are still open ? Good idea ? I assume not because our migration out of Germantown and Philadelphia was the major contributing factor for low enrollment and lost income causing Catholic grammar and high schools to go into a tailspin of financial ruin. Oh Well the suburban schools in Montgomery county gave my family an excellent education too bad SFA and NC HS never had a fighting chance !
Frank Westside [05-17-2011]

Lou Pauzano Sr.- You certainly knew a lot about tomatoes-the hot tomatoes at The Hollow and the Jersey Tomatoes in Avalon. You are also eclectic in that you know a lot about astrogolgy and the age of Aquarius. When you studied cosmology did you dispute The Big Bang Theory? You are now enjoying your golden years and don't forget to fly with The Golden Hawks on June 9 if you know what I mean.
Bruce Schmitt [05-17-2011]

Jack Brogan meet me at Ogunquit Maine. We can go over all characters from Fernhill Park.
Duncan Hubley, McKean Avenue '57 [05-17-2011]

John F. remember in the 80's they lowered the tax rates and took in twice as much in tax revenues as the previous year. CD grounds are worth millions, it all comes down to $$ not the kids.
Thinker 2 [05-17-2011]

Bruce S.: Schadenfreude? I suggest you might be a wee bit presumptuous with that remark. At best or worse, the most negative feeling of some, would be better described as being apathetic. Most of the factors contributing to the demise of the Catholic school system in Philadelphia have already been stated, and no need to rehash them, other than one other situation. Its been my contention, that those that attended Catholic school, such as myself, in the 50's and 60's, after being cut loose after graduation, and given the social revolution that was going on in the 60's, quietly just headed for the exits. There is no denying that a more than adequate education was available in a Catholic School. Unfortunately, the ambiance in the schools lent itself more to being more of penal colony, then an institution of learning. Granted having to deal with adolescent males, requires a certain level of discipline, but not the "we AGAINST you" atmosphere that existed. I can only speak for my time at CD from '58-'62, and in that time, compassion was non existent with any of the disciplinarians! I will even go so far as to state, that they took a great amount of pleasure in catching a student and administering capital punishment. I might also add, that I have heard, from more then one grad of CD, that things got even worse, starting with the reign of terror, of one Fr. Benonis, whose reputation is legendary among grads. I have even heard that a priest named "Knobby Walsh" was an equal. While you may count me among the apathetic, for many years I made contributions to CD's annual fund drive. I did this because I think that a well educated society benefits all of us. This came to an abrupt end, when the indictment of the pedophile priests was made public, with the 423 page indictment. After reading the indictment, besides being outraged by the actions of the hierarchy, I felt greatly betrayed by my church. I can't believe that the actions of these priests wasn't at least, suspected by other faculty members. I am thankful that I wasn't one of the students that was taken out of class in progress, and raped in an empty classroom!
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-17-2011]

Hey Marianne, I remember you and your family. I lived in the corner house at 531 w Clapier. Didn't you have some sisters and maybe a brother named Ron? You guys moved out in the 70's.
Joe Depero, 54, levittown, st mikes 70. [05-17-2011]

For all you Phillies fans,the bats will wake up before you know it.Pitching is dominating all of baseball so far.As soon as the heat and humidity arrives,the base hits will follow.Hitting a baseball is not easy.I should know since my last base hit was 42 years ago,a broken bat hump back liner over second base.The late Art Mahan,Villanova baseball coach and Athletic Director,and former Phillies first baseman once said,"The Augustinians kept telling me to have faith in the saints and to ask St.Jude for help when I would step up to bat.After trying this,it was quickly obvious that St.Jude couldn't hit a curve ball,either."......Paul Borian
Paul Borian, Fully transitioned from afternoon delight to afternoon nap. [05-17-2011]

As the regulars to this blog know, Phila PD has no file on the murder of my stepfather, Mike McGeehan, only a brief note in a log in Homicide Division. At a wake in Sydney two weeks ago, I happened to be seated next to a very famous (here in Oz) 'bent' cop, Roger Rogerson. (Google his name; very interesting character, did time only for using a bank account in a false name; never got him on any of his other capers.) I told him about the attempt to reopen the case, only to find that there was no file. He said that the most likely explanation is that when the PD undertook to digitize old files, some got misplaced and, even worse, there wasn't enough money to do them all, so some got 'canned'. That's apparently what happened in Sydney, so maybe it happened also in Philadelphia. I'd prefer to think this is the explanation, rather than all the other possibilities that come to mind. Maybe someone can shed some light on that angle for me. (A TV series on Roger Rogerson, called 'Blue Murder' is on DVD. Not the British series by the same name, however, an Aussie-made drama.)
Catherine Manning Muir [05-15-2011]

Ed Burke: For an easy-going guy, you got a lot of responses and feed-back from your blog about The Church and Catholic Edducation. You and I, both attended SFA where I dare say that we recieved more than adequate education-just read some of the great blogs from SFA graduates. I hangout with some of your SFA classmates at The Buck and they have great posts on this site and they speak well and I might add with good grammar. Most importantly, these lads have character and they know the difference between right and wrong- I think their Catholic Eduction at SFA, helped with their moral development. Tom McIntyre has a son who became a Bishop. Capt. Bud Ballard helped to bring a lot a bad actors off the streets of Philadelphia so that decent citizens could feel secure and safe. Bob Durkin has brought quality education to Roman students for many years. Your own brother,A SFA Guy, had good rapport with the priest from St. Catharine's,Father Bogart, and now Brother John is bringing high moral standards to The PPD. Our society has become too materialistic and lacking in ethical principles and I submit that we need more Catholic School principles and not less. I am not attempting to proselytize but merely suggest that this country and society will be worse off without Catholic schools. The loss of Catholic Schools will be a great tragedy and calamity. However,some people might experience "Schadenfreude" if Catholic Schools cease to exist.
Bruce S. [05-15-2011]

does anyone know Kenny and Maryanne Mickles from brickyard? They were friends of ours back in the late 50,s and early 60's. Sure would like to hear from them.
joanne posimo [05-15-2011]

Typo - the Community Garden at Awbury was started in 1976, not 1876.
Del Conner, fat fingers [05-15-2011]

For those interested in what the old neighborhood looked like, you might want to check out www.phillyhistory.org for all the old black & white photos.
Marianne Regan, Grew up at 543 West Clapier Street, Germantown [05-14-2011]

Dear Folks: I checked the page the other p.m. and noticed a refernce to "Victory Gardens"..I couldn't believe it...We had a victory garden up there way back when...I didn't think anyone on "the page" would reference that "war-time" activity..I put out an APB (for our Family) on the article and sure enough Fr. John remembers carrying "pails of beer" up to our Dad who was managing his limited farmland..All of us helped out and caught hell if we didn't "turn over" the soil in the correct way..(Of course we generally caught hell after the "beer" was delivered..)..Fr. John was in Ireland a few years back and opened a door for a woman who later identified herself (after a long conversation)from being from "Sprague St." She told Fr. John that her back-door opened-up to Awbury...As Mel Allen used to say, "how about that"....I am continually amazed by the stories on this page...God Love & Bless Germantown...
Mike Deely, still in SC [05-14-2011]

It is a good thing to have peaceful and eloquent discussions on this website. Opposing viewpoints are always welcome. The fact still remains that the Catholic Archdiocese is retaining a large law firm, which has not yet been proven as untrue. I haven't seen any figures on how many students have sued the Archdiocese over molestation? But my belief is that every archdiocese in the country is forking monies collected in the sunday collections to pay for all the lawsuits nationwide.
ed burke [05-14-2011]

There has also been a Community Garden in Awbury Arboretum since 1876. It is on the north side of Washington Lane near Ardleigh Street.
Del Conner, Farmer in the Dell [05-14-2011]

Del Conner, I read with interest your post on Awbury Arboretum. I applaud your work and efforts there, and through the years. Sounds like you really made a difference there. I pass the park often and last went through it around 4-5 years ago. I was/am impressed with the upgrades and how well maintained it is. I’m also glad the efforts to sell off portions of it have been thwarted. So, I congratulate and thank you for that. But, while it is good to dream, you had to know you faced a steep uphill battle from the very beginning. Most, if not all of us, who grew up on the East side have very special memories of the park. Awbury was just a special part of our growing up on the East side. But, it was just that, a recreational park. I know its official name is Awbury Arboretum, but to everyone I know, it is Awbury Park. I just can’t see it ever being the tourist mecca that is Morris Arboretum, that you referenced and seem to compare it to. First of all, who would pay the fees that they do at Morris. Plus, Morris is walled/fenced, whereas Awbury is open. Then, there is the location. Chestnut Hill vs Germantown. Some truly beautiful homes dot that park. But, I wonder about the safety factor, because of the neighborhood of today. I see that as being the biggest challenge for your dreams for the arboretum ­ the location. Germantown isn’t what it used to be. This is just an outsider’s opinion. You would have more intimate knowledge and experience than I. But, seems to me, the Germantown of today continues to flounder because of ineptness, greed, self-interest, scams and abuse. I saw David Richardson as a wonderful leader and visionary for a changing Germantown. I felt his heart and head were in the right place. Unfortunately, he died. Donna Reed Miller is as incompetent as they come and, thankfully, is leaving city council after all these years and will no longer represent the district’s interests. She fully supported and helped Germantown Settlement and their people. Germantown Settlement, what a wonderful idea, rooted with the Quakers of over a century ago. Now defunct, it lined the pockets of a few in its later years while the one it was intended to help, Germantown, continued to blight, wallow, digress, etc. So, I do agree with you on the bad apples. The Germantown of today could have been a lot better if it were not for a few bad apples whose motivation is their own self-interest …. But, sincerely, thank you for your work and accomplishments with Awbury.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-14-2011]

To The Thinker, sure, the archdiocese could throw money to keep open schools that are losing enrollment, operating at a loss (tuition not covering costs) and with no prospect of that trend changing. They have been doing just that. But, why would they continue that indefinitely? Think of it like this, you open Thinker's Grocery Store. You find that the sales are just not there to cover your costs, and you are losing money. Would you continue to throw your savings into trying to keep that store open indefinitely? Or, would you cut your losses and close the store? I would guess you would opt to cut your losses rather than continue throwing your money at a money pit.... The archdiocese is no different. By closing CD and NC, they cut their losses and there are still 8 other Catholic high schools within the Philly city limits that are open and are an option to these students if they want a Catholic-based education. Also too, remember that tuition doesn't cover the full cost of educating these students. The archdiocese is subsidizing a portion of the educational cost of every student enrolled in a Catholic high school. No one likes to see a school close, elementary or high school. CD is my alma mater and I am sad to see it gone. As much as I am sad to see it gone, I understand it had to be, in these times that are so different than when I was in high school....
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [05-14-2011]

Erda, Oh my gosh you are so right ... we didnt pay tuition back in those days but rental only for our books ... wow forgot about that and again right on, there were mostly Nuns and Priest who taught us and only a handful of lay teachers ...versus ... now where there are mostly only lay teachers in our Catholic schools ... I do agree that the student popluation has dwindled because of the burden of tuition ... however, that being said and agreeing with you about the competitive salaries needed to keep these lay teachers in our schools ..i believe too if there were not so many law suits being settled to these victims (who do deserve something for what they were put through) perhaps the church would then have the funds to either lower tuition or pay the lay teachers what they deserve for their services. Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-14-2011]

Catherine Manning Muir, Where i grew up the house I lived in was a twin and on each side of the twin was a pretty decent size yard .... my family and I would plant every type of vegtable you could think of and we kids usually had the responsiblity of tending to these ... at the end of the season we would then pick the veggies and my Aunt would take it from there ... The taste of those vegatables was so wonderful ..and .. the fact that we grew them ourselves made me anyway (cant speak for my cousins) feel very good about that! :>) Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-14-2011]

Del Conner, just goes to show how provincial the old Germantown was. I lived on the west side (Wayne and Seymour) and knew nothing of Awbury Arboretum until I read your post. What I shame I missed out on such a great place. Fellow bloggers, go to http://www.awbury.org the website of the Awbury Arboretum, for the full details.
Catherine Manning Muir [05-14-2011]

Naomi Vitelli: It was great to talk with you and your very nice friends at The Germantown Luncheon in Hatboro. Your friend,Barbar Granosio, has a brother who was a great athlete from SFA,LaSalle,GA,and Temple-John Granosio. At SFA,during his generation, there were many great athletes but John Granosio was one of the best. He played on LaSalle's championship baseball team and was the best hitter. He also attended Germantown Academy where he was All-Inter-Ac in baseball and basketball. At Temple, he played on Harry Litwack's best basketball team with Hal Lear and Guy Rodgers. In baseball, he is in Temple's Hall of Fame. Both of us, married women from Latin America. John married into a very famous family from Panama. I have not seen John in many years when he lived in his lovely home on the golf course- needless to say, he had a decent game in golf. I found out from Barbara G. that her brother lives near me in Princeton. Between this site, and Germantown reunions, one never knows whom we will meet. You are from The Eastside and The Granosio Family had a bar on Shedaker Street in The Brickyard. The Granosio Family sold that bar to The Stabilito Family, and Jim Stabilito went to Holy Rosary and The Prep with me. Naomi! Keep posting and we are fortunate that there so many good and nice Germantowners on this great site.
J. Bruce Schmitt [05-14-2011]

Marianne Regan, did you live on W Clapier st? Or was it W Abbottsford Ave? Joe
Joe DePero, 54, levittown, st mikes 70. [05-14-2011]

Dottie G, I used to go to Keenan's back in the 80's and early 90's. I knew the Keenans. We had a few of our Municipal Court Christmas parties there, as well as other parties. I also used to stop in for a drink or have dinner there once in awhile. I lived in Germantown in the 50's. Moved to Roxborough in 1967.
anthonyg [05-14-2011]

Cathy: Jupiter lining up with Mars. Hmmm Sounds like the Dawning of the age of Aquarius.
Louis f Pauzano Sr, South Phila [05-14-2011]

The Thinker: Interesting scenario of the Archdiocese lowering the tuition in order to attract more students, but in the business world, and the Catholic School system in Philadelphia is big business. Keep in mind with more students, there will be a need for more teachers, which will raise the payroll budget. Theoretically with an enrollment of 3,000 as you stated, there will be a need for at least 4 or 5 times as many teachers. *Is there any new information as to the fate of the CD building?
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-14-2011]

Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly: I lived in Awbury Arboretum from 1977 to 2005. I rented the 1793 farmhouse on Washington for ten years then the remainder in the Henry Cope House, “Awbury” that I bought. I was a founding member of the Awbury Arboretum Association, which was founded from the Advisory Committee of the City Parks Association, on which I served, as a reaction to the challenges poised by my five-year master plan for the Arboretum presented on the idea of March 1985. I also served for many, many years as the vice-president and editor of the newsletters for the Awbury Neighbors Association the neighbors association covered the area between Chew and Anderson Streets, and Washington Lane to Chelten Avenue. In 1978 I designed and with the help of neighbors we painted a mural and “welcome” on the railroad bridge over Washington Lane. I helped with the one over Chew Avenue. This was done five-years before the city’s mural arts program. I also was responsible for having Washington Lane turned into two lanes of traffic from four, had the two abandoned houses that stood in front of, and blocked the view of the Train Station, and made the first and second generation of signs for the Arboretum. I remember seeing photos of a baseball diamond and victory gardens on the north side of Washington Lane. Not sure where if they had victory gardens in the Arboretum between Washington lane and Haines Street. They may have been on Haines Field facing Ardleigh Street, which did not connect from Washington Lane to Haines until 1957 or so. In 1987 I lead the successful effort to stop the Arboretum from selling the entire twenty-two acre section of Awbury north of Washington Lane to the New Covenant Church. The site of the old victory gardens is now being used by Weavers Way co-op as am urban farm. I was unsuccessful in my efforts to have rgwe Arboretum adopt a Master Plan with a Visitor Center below the Train Station, between the pond and Washington Lane. That would have blocked the traffic noise around the pond and provide a great space for classes and functions. My plans were to have a pedestrian bridge off the second floor of the highly visible center across Washington Lane to a high spot on the other side. This would have linked both halves of the Arboretum, been a highly visible sign of good thing happening in Germantown, and could have turned it into a visible destination. Morris Arboretum, for who I did free-lance artwork, would give anything to have such a visible center with a train stain link to Center City and the Convention Center. Poor Germantown; too big to pull itself together, too many bad apples to realize its big dreams.
Del Conner, Fitler & SFA, 60 in Society Hill [05-12-2011]

On my previous post regarding the closings of CD and NECHS, I mentioned that the population was smaller. I was referring to the school aged population, not the population in general.
John Payne [05-12-2011]

Went to St. Francis of Assisi grammar school from 1962-1970. Looking for old friends.
Marianne Regan, Grew up in Germantown, now live in San Diego. [05-12-2011]

I believe that Catholic Schools are closing because of the fees Our parents paid little for us to go to Catholic School.. If I remember right for St Vincent’s it was something like 3 dollars book rental fee per school year and Little Flower it was 25 dollars per school year... We have to remember the priest, brothers and nuns are no longer teaching in the Catholic Schools for nothing more than room and board.. They now have to pay teacher and compete with the union teachers with salaries and benefits. Our son took his daughter out of Catholic School because the tuition went up every year and extra costs bumped on through the year.. They closed several High Schools in our Area or Montgomery County and built a huge High School in Royersford (John Paul II). Our son cannot afford the tuition for this new High School! Most people cannot afford Catholic Schools today.
Erda, From the Westside of Germantown [05-12-2011]

lou ! i remember those dances at st vincents every friday night what a great time it was ! we had no drugs and we could dance to all the new songs . a new song was out every week . man i love those days . frank .
frank, lansdale [05-12-2011]

Jupiter and Mars align all the time, but tomorrow morning a truly remarkable event will be visible in Australia's eastern sky: Jupiter will align with Mars, Venus and Mercury in the pre-dawn sky. Already Jupiter and Venus are hand-in-hand, looking like two headlights coming straight at us; tomorrow's event should be worth getting up and out in the cold to see! According to the song, "peace will guide the planet". God knows we need it! Just having the song go through my head makes me feel young again.
Catherine Manning Muir, back to the Age of Aquarius [05-12-2011]

As I child I remember my grandfather and great grandfather tending to Victory Gardens up the hill at Happy Hollow. We still have some community gardens down here in South Phila.
Louis F Pauzano Sr, South phila [05-12-2011]

Bob D'Angelo: I find it intriguing that 2 Hollow folks,Catharine Manning Muir and Bob D'Angelo are big fans of Eva Cassidy who was kind of a cult-figure in The Washington Area. After reading both of your posts about Eva, I come to the conclusion that Eva was an extraordinary talent and everybody had their own favorite. Bob! With your background and heritage, I might have thought that you might be into the opera. Obviously,you are eclectic and appreciate all kinds of music. The D'Angelo Family is interesting and I know Brother Joe had a penchant for The Theater. In Ambler,at The Act II Playhouse, The Great Actor from The Prep,Tony Braithwaite, is performing with other former Preppers. Joe met Tony Braithwaite when his Lasalle student,Phillip Keidel, competed against Tony in a debating contest. The future lawyer from LaSalle lost to The Prep Actor on that day. Brother Joe told his LaSalle student that he really won and Phillip said that guy is really good. Bob! You and your brothers,Joe&Tony, should visit The Playhouse in Ambler and watch Tony Braithwaite perform. Joe should contact Phillip Keidel and you and he should golf-Phillip like his father is a great golfer. Give my regards to both of your brothers and the old knuckleballer-Cousin Joe DAgostino.
JBS [05-12-2011]

Victory Garden? Well, not quite, but we did grow tomatoes, peppers, and yes, horseradish in the yard when I was in grade school. Later, in the 70's, there was a "community garden" in Germantown. I am blanking out on the location.
anonymous [05-12-2011]

Lorraine and Rosemarie, lovely to hear your veggie garden stories. It's not surprising that the gardens in the old 'hood were not as big as here in Oz. The standard house block in older suburbs here is 1/4 acre, much bigger than our tiny plots in Germantown. The Italians and Greeks, in particular, who live in the old neighborhoods of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane have fantastic gardens, some with pulleys and cowbells rigged up so they can chase the crows by pulling a cord from inside the house! There are also community gardens in the cities, like the one Lorraine recalls in Awbury Park. The new housing estates are much more densely built up, so gardens are smaller or non-existent in the new suburbs, but the old neighborhoods in the cities and towns--and my place in the Outback--still have huge yards, perfect for growing things. I'm just starting to get the hang of preserving and have 'put up' hot chilies and preserved lemons for curries. Like Lorraine's mom, my grandmother had a damp basement in her house near Sears on the Boulevard and had shelf after shelf loaded down with preserved peaches and other stone fruit. Those were the days!
Catherine Manning Muir [05-12-2011]

Lorraine (Cupo)Kelly> excellent analysis regarding the closure of parochial schools in Philadelphia, and elsewhere. I need to add that reason to the list of tidbits I posted.
anonymous [05-12-2011]

It seems the excuse for closing North and Dougherty was enrollment, which was over 900 students paying $5000. a year. Did they ever think about lowering the tuition to get more students? Maybe they would have increased the enrollment to 3,000. I don't think the Church is running out of money, unless the Lawyers are getting it all. Just a thought.
The Thinker [05-12-2011]

Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly: Good point concerning the gradual decrease in religious teachers in the Catholic School system. Something both Dennis and myself overlooked. When I was at CD there was approx. 60 priests and 30 lay teachers, which greatly helped keep down the payroll.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-12-2011]

CMM: My memory isn't VERY vivid about the Victory Gardens; but I do recall our family having one "somewhere" in Awbury Park. I vaguely remember helping my dad pull a red wagon, with garden tools in tow, to tend the small plot of ground. We lived on East Haines Street & the park was only 3 house down the road. I vaguely recall having to go up a hill & further into the park to get to the garden. I DO remember my mom, as well as my aunts, canning tomatoes, eggplant, peppers, and other vegetables & storing them on shelves in our damp, earthen cellar. I remember boiling the Mason jars & making sure their vacuum seal wasn't compromised. I remember it being a LOT of work; but worth the reward. I am of Italian descent; but I don't think it was only the Italians who tended these gardens. P.S. Our cellar also housed my grandfather's home-made wine. Thanks for the memories. P.S. Enjoy the fruits of your garden!
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; cdhs '59 [05-11-2011]

Attending IC & later CDHS (class of 59), I don't recall very many lay/secular teachers being present in the schools. All of the classes I attended, except, PE, were taught by sisters (IHM at IC & sisters from varying convents at CDHS). I don't think these nuns were paid very much; and I don't think they were provided with health insurance; life insurance, pension plans, etc. The good sisters taught out of a love for Christ while making selfless sacrifices. Today, Catholic education is mostly executed by lay teachers. I'm sure the salaries they earn, plus the benefits they receive have to be factored in to a system that no longer has the necessary number of sisters and/or priests to carry on the Catholic school system as my generation knew it. This reasoning may be too simple; but it works for me!.... just my humble opinion!
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; ic '55; cdhs '59 [05-11-2011]

when SFA closed do you think it was for lawyer fees or demographics
anonymous [05-11-2011]

Dennis McGlinchey: I applaud you on your excellent essay concerning the reaons why CD and North closed. Joe Lynch,one of the very good bloggers on this site and a big advocate of Catholic Education, had a friend by the name of John Fries who gave a large sum of money to North. I can only tell you that I feel his pain. In another post, you discussed Crane's-the famous Irish warering-hole in West Germantown. In my callow youth, I stopped at a few Irish-taverns-PJ Clarke's in The Upper-East Side,Molly Maguire's in Kensington operated by The Legendary John Berkery of SFA,and I even found an Irish Pub in Kiev called O'Brien's. However, I have to tell you that Crane's was the best and it was in our beloved Germantown. You went to Crane's in Andorra and there was a Crane's in Ambler. Hank Crane had a place in LBI and he still has a restaurant in Hilton Head. My family had the Jarrettown Hotel,The Switchville in Jenkintown and The Stuff Pepper in Buckingham near you-it is now WAWA's parking lot. I spend time in The Irish Riviera,Spring Lake, and there are many great Irish Pubs icluding Rod's which is actually located in Sea Girt. I like baseball but I have a problem there with all The New York fans since they like the Yankees and the Mets. I only drink wine and stay out of arguments since I have rounded 3rd base and I don't sweat the small stuff. When I meet Paul Borian or Dan Hartnett in Bucks County, it would be nice if you join us. You are probaly on the same page with Dan and The Bor must be a closet Irishman since he hangs out in Sea Isle-another part of The Irish Riviera.
John Bruce Schmitt [05-11-2011]

CD and NC closings: One more tidbit... The "Pig in the python", also known as the baby boom. The reality is that the population in general has declined considerably from the fifties and sixties post war phenomenon, and even the echo that came from the boom children.(the pig has passed through the system). So...less population, with a percentage of which was Catholic, further reduced by the exodus? from the Catholic church, plus the introduction of tuition, and the subsequent increases of the same, plus the flight from the cities, etc., is more likely the cause of those school closings. Sad, nonetheless. It's a complex problem to be sure. I'm of the mind that school in the model that we know it is doomed to the dustbin of history in the not too distant future. Right now we are experiencing "Institutional Lag", i.e., society's operating style is lagging behind our technological advances. As we learn how to truly incorporate these "advances" into our lives, the brick and mortal model may become obsolete altogether. Just a thought.
anonymous [05-11-2011]

Lorraine (cupo) Kelly, I loved your poem to your Mom and Im sure she did too ... those cards were the best ones and still are! Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-11-2011]

I basically agree with Mister McGlinchey's well written and concise explanation for not only the closing of CD and NC, but many parishes in the archdioceses. What I don't agree with, is his saying, that "one has nothing to do with the other". I am sure that the Archdiocese has top shelf accountants to do their budgeting, but I think any worthwhile accountant worth his salt, can do some, shall we say, "creative" accounting and budgeting. I think it would be a simple matter of, pardon the pun, robbing Peter to pay Paul. The fact is that the legal extraordinary legal fees had to come from somewhere. Just a matter of taking the money from a different pocket in the same pair of pants. I might add that the problem that exists in Philadelphia, is not down here in Florida. Sunday Masses play to overflowing crowds.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [05-11-2011]

Good write-up about the life of Eva Marie Cassidy, and a clip of her singing 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow', is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Cassidy
CMM [05-11-2011]

Here is the full song.

Lou Giorno, I loved those dances ...and couldnt wait for Friday! Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-11-2011]

Catherine Manning Muir, My uncle who lived on East Price Street had a beautiful veggie garden, and herbs too ... as well as many fruit trees . He also had grape vines for his home made wine that was delicious ... and i have yet to tast another wine as good as his . It was wondeful to pick pears and peaches and tomatoes that were ripe and sweet and there was nothing like those fresh herbs too. Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [05-11-2011]

Dennis McGlinchey - I don't know if it would have stopped the closing of North and CD but it wouldn't have hurt to have some of the millions spent on the abuse lawsuits funneled back to the Catholic school system.
Anon. [05-11-2011]

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