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April 1-10, 2011


Bill Cupo, it was great to see you at the ICC reunion in October. I enjoy your tidbits and they bring back many memories of life in East Germantown and Awbury Park and Immaculate Conception. Your memory of Ruby killing Oswald is not correct. I remember coming home from Churc, after helping Bumps Mc Ginley sell newspapers outside the front of the Church (Ardleigh Street). If Ruby shot him on November 24th that would be a Sunday, not Saturday. Your memory was different from mine about the same event.
Bob Mc Creight, icc '67 [04-10-2011]

Alan Conner: It's great to see the Conner Brothers from Erringer Place posting on this site. You lived in a great neighborhood across from The Beautiful Germantown Cricket Club. Bill Haas lived on that street and were you humble like him after the old druggist kicked your butt at Water Tower on Hartwell Lane in Chestnut Hill. I remember the steet,Hartwell Lane, since my sister,Joan, lived on the same street as Water Tower. I thought the players at The Hollow and Fernhill were better-only in basketball and not in tennis. Incidentally,Jay The Druggist, was also a good tennis player. The dude thought that he was good with his hands and he was happy that he bested me when I was 14 years old. You and I lost to an old man in an athletic contest. In basketball,he played with Norm Grekin and Jackie Moore-2 future college players for LaSalle College. My sister Joan lives in Fort Washinton and she liked most of the kids who worked at Manor Drug. I played basketball at The Queen Lane Project and one of the dudes robbed her drug-store. When he found out that Joan was my sister, he apologized-a real gentleman. Brother Rick, never got over that incident and the guy went to jail. When we owned bars, Rick always carried heat[licensed] and being a reserved guy, I always traveled alone if you know what I mean. Across from Manor Drug on Queen Lane, Abe owned a luncheonette and he was always packing and smoking a cigar. The ashes would go into the hoagie. Nobody ever robbed Abe-Was it because he carried a cannon or his friends. At Queen Lane&Morris, nobody robbed Cabbage The Boot-black and he had more money than Abe. I have to tell you that Manheim&Morris was much safer than Queen Lane&Morris. Pulaski&Queen Lane was really bad and I hope that you had no deliveries in the fudging project. Back in the day, the dudes would tell me,"Home-boy! I Live In The Fudging Project". That was no castle in the sky. I salute anybody who survived that environment. I beg your indulgence and I quote St. Augustine,"But, By The Grace of God,So Be I. Alan! I am so happy that our fellow Germantowners are doing so well. I see Jack McHugh posts from Texas and you probaly knew his brother-Joe. Joe McHugh and Brother Rick owned an airplane together.. Rick sends his regards and he always liked the black beauty that you drove-A Volvo. Alan and Del! I wish you well and keep posting.
John Bruce Schmitt [04-10-2011]

Paul Borian: There has been commentary on this site about Goo's Shrine-"The Hollow". I was not a Hollow person but I enjoyed sports there and it was always a challenge to climb the rocks. Many Hollow guys were in my class at SFA-Dom Raffaele,Frank Felice,Jim Razzano,and many girls including Sabina Cunningham,Jeanie Masterson,Eileen McLaughlin and Pat Kirk who married Mayor Bill Green. I never had any problems with any of the guys with whom you played poker-Rocky and Joe Raffaele,Larry Rinaldi,and Goo Guarinello. My mother did not raise any fools and I would have been crazy to have any problems with those gentleman. I never nutted Crazy Joe and I had good rapport with Pat Sarnese,the great football player.I listened to Bob LaValle when he told me to treat John Berkery with respect-I never even drove his car like John Payne and Jim Kehan. I never even nutted Frank Baggs[FFK] when he spoke with his witty comments. I never told any Johnson jokes if you know what I mean. I never made any detrimental remarks about The Hollow. I've known you for a long time and you and Goo loved The Hollow and I do understand where you are coming from.
Schmitty [04-10-2011]

Dan last time I was at will grow far they had banners and pictures of the old Park hanging I believe they still do if you go to the mall and you can look at all the old banners and posters
Ray Dawes, St. Francis 57 N. 59 Germantown 61 next 64 [04-10-2011]

Someone here mentioned remembering the tree-lined streets of Germantown. If you go there today, you'll find that it is no longer tree-lined as you remember it. I forget the particulars, but Philadelphia has undertaken an aggressive campaign to increase the number of trees within the city. Again, I don't remember the particulars, but they are starting out working with the big companies doing business in Philadelphia, where the companies offer free trees (partnering with the city, the companies agree to pay for the trees) to their employees who live in Philadelphia. You would plant these trees on your property. If you want a tree planted on the patch between the sidewalk and street, you fill out a request and the city will send out an arborist to determine if it is feasable to do so. A nice end result could be to re-create the tree-lined streets in Philly, that we knew back in the day. Definitely, a win-win for Philly.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-10-2011]

The gangs in Germantown came about with the "change". They had their turf and were quick to resort to violence to protect it. Or, resorted to violence whenever they felt inclined to. It wasn't until the last 5-10 years or so that I realized that the name "Brickyard" referred to an area. Until then, hearing the name Brickyard, I thought it was the gang by the same name that was being referred to. Though never said, I always believed that IC's carnivals ended in 1968 because of the potential of violence from these street gangs. The last carnival they had, I remember the Somerville gang lined up on both sides of the driveway leading into the schoolyard where the carnival was held. It was like going through a gauntlet to get into the carnival. They had no business with IC, only there to intimidate. We all know not all of our Germantown upbringing and times were great. Me, while I remember the not-so-great times, I choose to keep my focus on the times that were.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-10-2011]

Joe Leone - I think you are mistaken - George's was at Clapier and Wakefield and his wife was Alice. I think the guy you are talking about ran a store on Seymore St. I remember he had one arm.
Cooter in NC [04-10-2011]

Frank Westside, you lobbed a dart at the Hollow's mythical balloon with that one.... Seriously, any of you Hollow guys going to the upcoming 100th anniversary celebration? As I understand it, all are welcome and could be a nice walk down memory lane for you. When CD was closing, I debated about going back to the final homecoming before it closed. In the end, I decided to go and turned out to be very special, more special than I ever thought it would be, for me. It was a sad day indeed, but it was my last opportunity to walk those halls again and I am so glad that I took aadvantage of that opportunity. While the Hollow isn't closing, the day is an opportunity to see the old place once again.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-10-2011]

Bud, I remember at least 4 fights at Willow Grove Park, one in the picnic grove, 2 in the fun house and one while walking across the bridge near the pond where I got hit in the head with a piece of cinder block. Yea, some fond memories but at least then you could fight with your hands as opposed to today where they just shoot you.
Joe Leone [04-10-2011]

As the school year comes closer to its end, the excitement and anticipation of our trip to Willow Grove Park mounts. We can feel it in the air.....we are already discussing the rides on which we will go; who will be our partner as we cruise through the "Tunnel of Love"; how many times will we ride the Alps and/or Thunderbolt. I believe the beautiful big swan was the "landmark" for the Tunnel of Love; however, I'm not certain. In or around 1953-1954, my aunt Mary & uncle John DiMarzio purchased a large "white elephant" building located in Willow Grove. As a child (12-13),I remember this building as standing alone, on top of a hill, in the middle of nowhere. My aunt Mary & uncle John chose this location to establish their family restaurant....."The Willow Inn". It remains at the same location today; still owned & operated by the DiMarzio's; still serving families in and around the area, good (mostly Italian) food. The landscape of the location has definitely changed....from surrounding Willow Grove Park, to Willow Grove Lanes, to the now present Willow Grove Mall. It's comforting to know that the once lone building, on top of the hill, in the middle of nowhere, still stands.... a part of the past, coupled with the present of today. P.S. Dan, Hartnett.....my paternal grandfather (Pete Cupo) reportedly played the tuba in John Phillip Sousa's band when Sousa performed at Willow Grove. In researching JPS's band members, I did not come across my grandfather's name. However, I did learn that sometimes a member of the audience would go on stage, play along for a song or two, & then proudly announce that he had played in JPS's band. Thanks for the memories.
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; ic '55; cdhs '59 [04-10-2011]

I remember the swan boat at Willow Grove. There is still a small drainage pond where the lake use to be. It has ducks & geese living in it. Every time I see those birds, I think of the swan boat.
denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-10-2011]

Dennis Crowley we are having a ST FR luncheon on the 19th at the buck hotel. Chas lunkin came to the last one it would be nice to see some of you guys show up and we all can lie about our selfes a good time is had by all cost about 22 bucks as in durney.yes i think i can name at least 50% of the boys.
Ray Dawes, 68 age STF 57 NC59 GTN 61 [04-09-2011]

Great area to go to school in the 1955-1963. Beautiful and quiet tree lined street as I lived in two homes duirng my years west of Germantown Ave. to Wissahickon Ave. south of Chelten Ave. to just south of Manheim St. I live in Jenkintown now which has some great areas but Germantown was part of Philadelphia and the urban environment and has such tremendous history. I remember playing in the park along Pulaski Ave or Morris St.before the Roosevelt Expressway was built and I dissected in two parts.
David H.Floyd, Retired accountant living in Jenkintown. Lived in Germantown 1955-1968 [04-09-2011]

Joe Leone Do remember the fight we got into at Woodside Park. There a group of kids from SFA eating in the pinic grove. Lynn Wilson had a slingshot. The was another group of kids from anothher school. There was a girl bending over picking up trash. LYNN with his trusty slingshot fired and hit her you no where. Then there was a fight between both groups. LYNN was still shooting his slingshot and was aming at another kid. The kid ducked when LYNN fired and I got hit in the back of the upper arm. Some of the people I remember being there were you, Rich Reeves, Ron Manzo,John Barron, George Beccaria, and Bill Slavin. I still have a mark where the peeeble hit me. In 1956 SFA had its first pinic at Willow Grove Park.
Bud Ballard, sfa 56, nechs 60 [04-09-2011]

Lots of posts lately about Willow Grove park. My mother was born and raised in Crestmont in 1906 which was next to Willow Grove. She recalled to going to John Phillip Sousa concerts there when she was young. She also attended a one room schoolhouse. Does anyone remember the Swan boat in the lake and the rowboats?
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-09-2011]

Kevin McKernan; Speaking of Nixon, you forgot his famous "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore". But of course, as we know, he did resurrect and he did get kicked around and of course, he deserved it. He also bequeathed to us "G. Gordon Liddy" who is selling gold these days in TV commercials. I liked Gordon and still do. I think there is a place for "stick to it" gutsy guys like him, albeit far from the west wing. You may recall that in his bio, he fessed up to catching and eating a rat in order to overcome his fear of them. I presume it worked as he went on to Watergate fame and then to the hoosegow to ponder his imaginative behavior. Certainly a colorful guy though. Definitely not a metrosexual like the ballet dancing Rahm Emmanuel. Fascinating period of history.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-09-2011]

Linda Fontana. Please let us know the time of the luncheon on May 1. Thanks.
Naomi Vitelli [04-09-2011]

When i worked for Cutler Paint Stores on germantown ave.,one in the 3400 block and the other one was at 2618 right below lehigh Ave. i knew a man named 'Tommy Gillin' who was a motorman on the 23 trolley car line.He was born and raised in germantown. He would be about 71 yrs old. He was my brothers friend. Does anyone know him ?? Joe O'Donnell
jodonnell1@trriad.rr,com [04-09-2011]

I never got an answer about all the places i mentioned. i lived on chelton ave. in the 50's. Darrows Drug,Del Mar Morris, Alans Dept. store,Penn Fruit at Wayne and Chelten I could go on and on.
dottie g, was germantown, now roxborough [04-09-2011]

To all who played the game of soccer in the Phila. area you would know the name John Boles from LBC and North Catholic and later to become an All American at Temple U. and also the Head Coach of Temple for 22 yrs. John passed away this past week from a long rare illness. He was a true gentleman on and off the pitch. May he Rest in Peace.
Dave Linn, Soccer/ Ref [04-09-2011]

Joe Lynch: It's great that so many of your buddies and friends from SFA,Fernhill Park and The Hollow are posting on this site. You could even have a team with John Fowler and Dennis Crowley now posting. If I recall, Dennis. C. was on your team at SFA with Goo being the coach. Jim Crowley was in my class at SFA and he went to LaSalle High and The Crowley Boys seemed to be doing well. I am meeting our mutual friend,Pat McIlhinney, in Bordentown,NJ which is mid-point between Cherry Hill and Lawrenceville where I live. He is coming to The Reception at Rider University for my wife,Ludmila Kapchutschenko-Schmitt on April 21, at 4:30. Lou Pauzano from The Hollow will also attend. You would be comfortable in this academic and literary mileu since you are very literate and a teacher at one of the better schools in The Delaware Valley-LaSalle. Lou P. and Pat Mc also went to a very good school in North Philly, it was founded by a General by the name of Ignatius. I do not know if you are bi-lingual but there will be books by Borges, The great Argentine-intellectual. I know you spent time in Buenos and drank the wine and ate the steak but did you buy any books. You have been somewhat dormant on this web-site and you must be getting ready for Easter. I hope Frank Baggs[FFK] submits an Easter-poem. Frank was hanging out with Chase of The Phillies. One has to love The Phillies and the great game of baseball. Possibly, Dennis Crowley will tell us some good SFA baseball stories and mention The Babe Ruth of SFA- Bill Haas. Joe! I hope to see you in the future and Pat McIlhinney would love to talk to his old team-mate from Fernhill. He and Al Patrizi might have hung out with you at Dave's across from The Park.
J.Bruce Schmitt [04-09-2011]

I may be wrong or just confused but I thought that in one of my younger years at St. Francis we went to Woodside for the end of the year trip instead of Willow Grove. The reason was the nuns fell that the hucksters at Willow Grove were cheating the children. The next year we went back to Willow Grove, maybe Woodside was going to close?
Jack McHugh [04-09-2011]

Willow Grove park had a big lake with paddlewheel boats that you cold rent. I rented one once and accidently dropped 1/2 a hogie in the lake. With one gulp a HUGE Carp came up and inhaled it. Dam shame you weren't allowed to fish there. That lake had the biggest carp I've ever seen even to this day. 30-40-50 lb fish.
Joe Graber, Fishing is a jerk at one end waiting for a jerk at the other. [04-09-2011]

@Ed Farrar - Yes, I do remember the Gangs of Germantown, especially the Haines Street Gang. Butchie Vitelli and I had two ways to walk to Germantown High School depending on what gang activity we heard about. We either walked down Haines to Germantown Ave., or took Chelten Ave. to Germantown. For some reason, "Spartacus" befriended me (maybe because we were in the same class in Pastorious). Sometimes we had to pay to leave school at the end of the day because gang members were blocking the doors. The headline of today's Inquirer talks about putting armed police in the schools. Well, cops/security were already in Germantown High School in the 60's. Guess nobody wants to remember that.
Steve Swift, E. Stafford St. [04-09-2011]

JBS - be honest do you work for the Germantown branch of the FBI with all your superfluous questions ? LOL Actually, Happy Hollow was not my "hangout" - my many years in Germantown were spent in the playgrounds of Wister park and Wister playground. We only visited Happy Hollow when we wished to have a win in any B Ball games. This was in the late fifties to mid- sixties. Happy Hollow folks rarely traveled to our side of the tracks because it was just a rougher area that required leaving the protection of Happy Hollow's gated community.
Frank Westside [04-09-2011]

How many people out there remember-The Gtn.Courier-The Record-(The Bulletin)(spelling??)(sic ?)we had many sources to get info.Nowdays, people are LAZY & rely on the TV to give them the news & they miss out on quite a bit-Tv tells them just a summary & not the whole story.C'mon people,start reading again& you'll see what your missing.Lou Giorno.
lou giorno, mr g dos [04-09-2011]

To Joe D'agostino-Stan forgione,your sister Quinta,Frank & Marie Forgione-were friends of mine from GTN. I've been friends with them for 60yrs. Quinta passed quite a while ago--Stanley quite recently-Frank Forgione & I keep in touch 2 or 3 times a week. Years ago we all played together in Frank's Band "The Quintones".Marie forgione is very sick currently & isn't expectd to live much longer- she has battled cancer for over 10 yrs.Lou Giorno.
lou giorno, Mr G DOS [04-09-2011]

Even after his passing, some feel the need to need to deride Fr. Benonis of CD! I guess the term "May he rest in peace" does not apply to him. There is no denying that, for many years during and after his tenure at CD, he was an "icon". Whenever in my travels, I would run into a CD grad, the first thing they would say is "Remember Fr. Benonis?" I spent 4 years around Fr. Benonis and had him for junior year Religion, and don't remember him being him being the "Captain Bligh" some remember him being. In fairness he wasn't one of the schools disciplinarians at the time, and quite possibly he was overzealous in his duties, when he became a disciplinarian. To be sure CD always had an infamous disciplinarian. In the very early years, when I attended it was Frs. Uricheck, McDevitt and Peck. Names that will be all too familiar to those of use that were around in their "reigns of terror". While the matter of capital punishment in Catholic Schools in the 50's and 60's can be debated, speaking only for myself, I know it better prepared me for the real world. You think they were tough? Try serving on a couple of destroyers with hardened WWII boatswains mates, with tattoos such as "Death before shore duty." Life with Fr. Benonis would have been a walk in the park.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 Viet Nam '65 [04-09-2011]

JBS-Working for Joan and Jay Waxler at the Manor Drug Store was great and have many fond memories. I remember that they had a picnic for all the employees and it was at the Water Tower Rec Center up in Chestnut Hill, right next to the basketball courts. Jay had brought a ball so after awhile some of us guys asked if we could use the ball and we went over to the court and started to shot some hoops. So, Jay came over in a little and said "hey, you guys want to get a game up"? Now, here's the boss, maybe a little out of shape and you know an old guy, maybe even thirty years old. We're all cocky seventeen year olds thinking to ourselves "let's see what you got old man". Well... what happen next was Jay put a big hurt'en on us young guys! I remember him trash talk'en to us. " Man, you guys really suck"! Lesson learned, Jay was the boss, on and off the court.
Alan Conner, Fitler '59, GHS '65, Vietnam "66-'67 [04-08-2011]

Dennis Crowley: Welcome to the site. The 200 block of Abbottsford was a long time ago. I don't know if you have seen any pictures, but it isn't quie what it used to be when we lived there along with Dave Byrne, and John and Marty Cumcumian (SP?) I was up from you on the same side, but across Newhall St. I was at 244.
John Payne [04-08-2011]

I remember the SFA school trips to Willow Grove Park; I never had enough tickets for all the rides I wanted to go on. Later amusement parks did away with the need to have tickets and went to a single admission price; made much more sense although it made it much more expensive and kept a lot of folks out. I also remember going to Woodside Park, which closed in 1955. All of the rides and equipment were sold in 1956 and some went to Million Dollar Pier in Atlantic City. See CLICK which shows two pages of the March 16, 1956 edition of Billboard Magazine. P.60 reports the opening of the Skooter at Million $ Pier the following day, while p.61 has a display ad for a 'sacrifice sale' of the rides, games and equipment. A Google photo of the site now shows no traces of the amusement park. It was served by the Fairmount Park trolley.
CMM [04-08-2011]

To webmaster--I hope you are ok? The thoughts haven't changed for awhile.If you are ill, I wish you a speedy recovery. LOU GIORNO
Lou Giorno, Mr.G Dos [04-08-2011]

Thank you for asking. Getting better each day.

I've been reading over todays posts and see that they're as good as they've ever been.I'm sorry to hear about the Tastykake Com...But,am glad that "your thoughts"are alive and well! That would'nt be so if we did'nt have John Bruce Schmitt,Lou Giorno,Dennis McGlinchey,Dan Hartnett and Joe Dagostino to mention just a few of you.Keep up the good work webmaster and the great posts ! Joe O'Donnell
Joe O'Donnell, I'll be 68 on the 10th of aug and am now living in Eden,N.C. [04-08-2011]

I fondly remember the SFA school picnics to Willow Grove Park. The PTC buses were chartered and lined up next to the church on Greene St. and some buses lined up in front of the church on Logan St. I remember before I went to school I went with my mom on the "Mother's Bus" and then when I went to school you went on the bus with your class. I remember the Alps ride, the wild mouse, bumping cars, the shootey-shoots (as my Mom called it) and all the other rides and the picnic grove. It was a May ritual. I also remember Willow Grove bowling lanes which had 100 lanes; I learned to bowl there when I was a little older. Such fun times!
Mark L. Bambrick, raised in g-town 1960-1970 [04-08-2011]

It is interesting to hear stories of riots in Philly, particularly North Philadelphia in the 40s. Soldiers riding Trolleys with rifles and bayonets. What caused these riots does anyone know? I do remember the Gangs of Germantown in the later 60s. Haines Street, Somerville, Brickyard. Have they always been there or did they develop more in the 60s. My walks on Haines Street to Belfield Ave up to Chelten Ave always had me looking over my Shoulder, especially when passing under the train tracks by Our Lady of the Rosary Church. I guess you need a Tank or Armored Vehicle to ride through those areas today.
Ed Farrar, Chester, VA [04-08-2011]

What is the date & time of the get together at LaFontana's???
anon: [04-08-2011]

ATTENTION Jos Leone aand Ed Burke we use to go to Woodside Park by trolley car. Woodside Park was loacted in West Philly, on the south side of Ford Rd, just east of Monument Rd and Conshocken Rd. Woodside park closed down in 1955.
BUD BALLARD, sfa 56, nechs 60 [04-08-2011]

Mr flowers name was George we use his store all the time. before that we used the American store at Seymour and Gtn ave. One day my father sent me there to get bread,I got the bread and waited at the cash register. The manger asked how I got into the store. The door was unloked so i came in. The door was unloked all night.
Ray Dawes, sf 57 nc59 gtn61 [04-08-2011]

Wayne Doneker: I lived at 4608 Pulaski Ave, But my sister Qunita (D'Agostino) Forgione lived on Knox St. and I spent much time there. Lou Giorno, I believe you knew my sister and brother-n-law Stan Forgione. Stan had a sister Maria and a brother Frank. Some really great people.I do remeber playing all the games you mentioned. It did not take much to have a good time back then. Now it requires a large investment in video games. Hope all is well with you. Joe DAgostino - GHS 1965
Joe DAgostino [04-08-2011]

Bernadette Iannuzzi: Did you live over by Holy Rosary Church? I seem to remember you or at least your name..Did you know a pretty girl named Rosaria Fontana? Her dad's name was Dioneggio? Did you know an Anthony Criniti? I think my girlfriend Loretta Pizotti had a 'crush on him."..Linda Fontana
L.Fontana [04-08-2011]

Marie B.>What places in Gtn. were you asking about, for which you did not get an answer? maybe we missed it. Try again.
John Payne [04-08-2011]

I remember when they tore down SFA to build the new one. I was in 6th grade and was bussed to St. Therese in Mt. Airy
anonymous [04-08-2011]

Del Conner: Your father was my Webelos leader. He was the first person I knew who had an 8mm movie projector that had sound. One meeting at your house on Erringer Place, he showed us a Woody Woodpecker film with sound. It doesn't sound like much now but it was big back then. I remember you and your brother, Alan, although I forget which one of you was a Webelo when I was. You mentioned Johnny Wills. I was his neighbor. He lived at 5016 Keyser and I was born at 5018 Keyser and then moved to 5022 Keyser. I was also a pall bearer at his funeral. I hung around at times with Bobby Weaver, who was with Johnny, driving the other motorcycle when Johnny went down and hit his head. I was never on Eddie Jab's bike but I was on the back of Bob's bike one time when he was doing over 100 mph on 309. We were racing a car. We did some stupid things back then. John's accident was a shock because it wasn't due to acting crazy, it was just a freak thing. You mentioned the Bulletin branch on Tacoma, Bobby Weaver across the street from it; I guess that would be 5001. He lived with his Aunt and Uncle, and cousin, Lois. Lois had a lot of admirers. I was a Bulletin boy for two years, got fired, and started working for Louis Pharmacy the next week. Ah, the good old days. When there were jobs right around the corner.....literally.
Bill James [04-08-2011]

Frank Westside: As you probaly have observed, you and Lou are not the only bloggers on this site who have a polyglotic nature. Kevin McKernan,one of the 3 McKernan brothers who posts on this site, used some German words which resonated with me since my father,Urban, was a German-teacher. Our new friend,Lou Giorno,recently used the word,"Kudos",which is derived from The Greek. Lou is really an equal-opportunity employer-delving into Italian,German,and now Greek culture. Possibly Lou could say something about Ara Parseghian,The Notre Dame coach,and Cher-great Armenians like Paul Borian of The Hollow. Lou lived near The Hollow and Bor would probaly appreciate some input about the legendary Goo Guarinello who was his mentor and friend. Frank! Were you from The Eastside or the Westside?Did you hangout at The Hollow or Waterview? Did you shoot pool at Brill's or Mosconi's. Did you hang out at Gtn.&Chelten or Chew&Chelten. Did you cross paths with Dan Hartnett at The Proper Place? I do not know whether Dan is a polyglot but his memory is really working since he remembers the quotes of that old Greek-American politician-Spiro Agnew. Do you remember Spiro Agnew with his expansive vocabulary. Do you think William Safire might have helped him? I have never met you and I can only conjecture by dint of your posts that you might know some of these aforementioned individuals. Back in the days,the liberals did not approve of Spiro and his friend,Richard. I wonder also if you might be a SFA guy. Lou G. recently mentioned a very controversial priest from SFA by the name of PJ McGarrity. I was a reserved and clean-cut guy and I only went to him once for confession. I am surprised that Tom Cusack who was kind of a ladies-man had good rapport with him. John Fowler and Dennis Crowley are new bloggers from SFA with unique personalities and their take on The Old Surly Confessor would be interesting. Frank! Introduce yourself someday at a Germantown mini-reunion. I would be the reserved guy who looks like Gerry Quarry-I was not as tough as Goony Walsh or Nicky Lazro but like many Germantowners, I did like to hang out but not on corners.
JBS [04-08-2011]

Dave Byrne: Thanks for the reply. Sounds like you've been all over the place since G'town. Have you been up the old street lately? actually looks pretty good. Lots of memories of traffic and parking learning to drive on that "Avenue". It was once a two way street. go figure.
Dennis Crowley [04-08-2011]

Regarding Msgr. McGarrity, there has been a lot of discussion here about how he didn’t like Italians. I didn’t know him but assume that to be true. And, I agree it was shameful of him. I belong to a SFA Facebook group and seems that he was also beloved by many. He died in 1968 after serving SFA for 43 years. When he died, it was relayed that his open casket was processed around the block so parishioners and neighbors could pay their respect. For them to do that, he had to be highly regarded.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-08-2011]

Ray Dawes --Sure do but tyhe hair's now flat and grey. I look at that picture often and think the same thing --where are all these people now? Great to hear from you. I still hang out with Bucky Durney regularly, as well as Joe Lynch. BTW, how about Durney's jacket in that pic. very stylish. Can you place any more names with faces?
Dennis Crowley [04-08-2011]

Lou Giorno ­ awhile back, we were having a discussion about CD’s Fr. Benonis, NC’s Blackjack Donahue, other priests and the nuns who used to beat on kids back in the day in the name of “discipline”. You effectively ended that conversation by calling us all a bunch of crybabies. So, I was very surprised to see your post about nuns beating on kids back in the day to punish us and keep us in line. Welcome Lou to the crybaby club. That was the way of the time and, personally, I harbor no illwill towards those nuns. Now Fr. Benonis, that’s a whole different story. He took beating on kids to an intensity level that I never saw before or since….
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-08-2011]

Denise Duckworth: I thought I was the Dishwasher back then. Great to hear from you. We still have a great picture of that scout group with our mothers and brothers. Quick update on the family: Joey -Cambria Ca. 71 Retired Electrical Engineering Professor U of Ill. Jimmy 69 Amelia Island Fl semi-retired Attorney Denny 67 Sewell/Cape May retired NJ Attorney General's Office Mary 65 Memphis TN Superintendent of Schools Diocese of Memphis Terry 64 Ocean City NJ Retired Superintendent of Schools Kingsway REG/SD
Dennis Crowley, 222 Abbotts [04-08-2011]

Bob Eastside, I worked at Georges store along with Guy Ceratta. I remember keeping a book on what people owed and they would pay at the end of the week.( most of the time )George had one arm and some oldtimers said that he was a pro baseball prospect until he lost his arm.
Joe Leone [04-08-2011]

Dan Hartnett: I believe the wordsmiths that spoon-fed those hilarious lines to "I'm not a crook" Nixon and "Put my bribe in a brown paper bag" Agnew were William Safire and Pat Buchanan. Agnew claimed in a book he wrote, that Nixon and the Prep's imperious Gen. Al. Haig, whom some likened to Gen. James Scott Mattoon-- "Seven Days in May" or Gen. Curtis LeMay-- "Bomb them back to the Stone Age"--right-wing conservatives-- were out to get him if he didn't "take the fall" and divert attention away from Nixon's developing Watergate troubles. Nixon and Spiro Agnew never spoke to each other after both were forced out of office. That certainly was a bizarre period in conservative, republican politics… and I'll be thanking you for putting a wide chasm between me self and these ethically challenged pols.
Kevin McKernan, "No Nolo Contendere for me." [04-08-2011]

Gustine Lake, my Aunt Anna and cousin Nick Criniti worked their as lifeguards. When we would go swimming all day your feet would be skinned up and cut from the rough concrete on the bottom of that pool. It was one depth and you could walk completely across that pool.
Bernadette Iannuzzi Rizzo [04-06-2011]

What is behind the recent anonymous posts on topics that are not at all controversial? Maybe just slips of the finger (i.e., hitting 'Send it' before filling in one's details). It happens during 'senior moments'. Much more interesting to know who is making the post.
CMM [04-06-2011]

Dennis Crowley do you have any of those freckels left? and do you still ware the flat top hair style? If i remember correcttly you are standing next to me in the class picture. I am back to wareing the short hair to hide the grey.
Ray Dawes, 68yrs 57 St Francis 59 north 61 gtn 64 nicks [04-06-2011]

E. Burke: are you thinking of Woodside Park. I remember going there on school trips by trolley. Anonymous: I went to CA from 8th grade through HS. I do recall that there were boys around the place, but because the grade school and HS students rarely crossed paths, I seldom saw 'littleies' of either sex. I graduated in '61; would have been your freshman year. BTW there is a CA Facebook page which I have signed onto, but the folks who post there are from a later vintage; I don't know any of them. Also BTW, trolleys of the same make and model as the ones we knew on the 23 and 53 lines are still running here in Australia, in Melbourne, but they're called 'trams'.
CMM [04-06-2011]

Dear JBS: Thank you for the invite to the affair on 4/19 (Patriot's Day and the onset of "Passover") but I just can't do it..This a.m. I returned to South Carolina after a week of minding one of my "grand-children" on LBI, N.J..(Not bad duty, eh?)..In one of my earlier posts I may have led you to believe that Fr. John (OMI) is living in Ireland..He's not..He still lives in Tokyo (as do most of his students)and this Deely Family is wondering how's he doing....I just sent an e-mail to him but I'm not too sure that he can ever retrieve it..The damage to the infrastructure is "beyond belief"..Please say a prayer for Fr. John & his parishoners..This Deely Family would appreciate that and based on what I've seen written on this "page", some of you have a "direct line" to the Almighty...Thanks again for making this "homepage" the best...Mike Deely
J.Bruce Schmitt [04-06-2011]

Anyone ever go to Georges Grocery store at the corner of Clapier & Wakefield ? Also, it was Willow Grove Amusement Park after last day of school at St Francis ! Chicks on Germantown Ave was another hot spot to hit for all the junk food you could ever eat. The back room of Chicks sold toys - never could figure out why.
Bob Eastside [04-06-2011]

Joe DAgostino: i remember you very well Joe. You lived on Knox just off of Hansberry. Your were older than us but sometimes when we played handball, wire ball, or wall ball right there on Freddie's side of his grocery store at this intersection, i remember you joining us. You may or may not remember me but is no big deal. To partially answer your question on some of the team names at GBC (and I am not sure if this was LL or BRL but there were the Kiwanis, VFW, Houston Post and the Optimist. I played for VFW and Optimist but i couldn't hit very well. I was one of those who could field but had no stick.
Wayne Doneker, 150 w. Hansberry St. [04-06-2011]

e burke,Would that be Willow Grove Park?
Sheila [04-06-2011]

I attened SFA for 2nd grd(Sr Saint Monica)&3rd Grd (Sister Ann Robert)1942-43 Icould never understand why those nuns would issue a lot of corporal punishment with little or no provacation-it went on in all grades.Quite a few law suits would have occured by today's standards.St.Michael's School opened in the fall of 1943 & most of the Italian kids transferred much to the delight of Fr.Mc Garrity who didn't like us in his school-I don't know why he felt that way.Fr.McGarrity was not liked by many people he was a real tyrant. The St. Joe nuns who taught us at St.Mikes never laid a hand on any student, a completely different atmosphere prevailed, thank God- you could learn without fear of getting beat up,for turning your head.Those were the days??? Lou Giorno
lou giorno, Lou NECH 53 [04-06-2011]

To E. Burke--end of year trolley ride was to Willow Grove Park. To Joe D'Agostino--I played at GBC in the early 50's -you guys must have been on steroids to hit so many balls over the left field fence.-Fr.Cavalucci was an important person in my life & a personal friend. Lou Giorno
lou giorno, Lou NECHS 53 [04-06-2011]

The amusement park was Willow Grove. (Another that I have heard of was Woodside Park, but Willow Grove was where SFA went when I attended.
John Payne [04-06-2011]

Del Conner: Many bloggers on this site connected with your post about serving Newspapers- I served both The Bulletin and The Inquirer. My 2 brothers,Ken&Rick, sold The Bulletin&The Daily News in front of Midvale Steel on Wissahickon Ave. You mentioned that your brother,Alan, worked at a Drug-store on 468 W. Queen Lane at the corner of Queen Lane&Laurens. Ed Burke who posted recently on this site also worked there. The owners of that drug-store were Joan&Jay Waxler. Joan was very pretty and intelligent and Jay was an old jock from West Philadelphia where he started on the basketball team. Guys like Joe Lynch&Tom Cusack, knew him from playing ball at Fernhill Park. His father was involved in the fight-game in South Philly. They only taught me how to throw a left-jab and there must have been a method to their madness. My sister,Joan,eventually sold this pharmacy and worked for Lou's Pharmacy at Wayne& Manheim. Recently,I talked with Dr. Robert[Bob] who also worked there at the time. Alan Conner was a nice kid and a good worker. He was one of the first kids in the neighborhood to drive a foreign car-a beautiful black Volvo, a real chick-mobile. Now, most people drive foreign cars but back in the day, Alan was unique. However, today there will be a problem getting parts for foreign cars. I hope that most Germantowners are driving American cars. I see Lou Giorno,The Jenks teacher,posted your brother,Alan. This site is extraordinary and brings many people together from by-gone days. Lou Giorno taught my niece,Lynne Waxler, who was the daughter of my sister,Joan, who operated Manor Drug where Alan worked. Alan! I have to tell you that this Germantown-site is getting better by the day.
John Bruce Schmitt [04-06-2011]

Lou G Joe D'Agostino was someone who I looked uo to and aspired to be like as a baseball player. I couldn't wait to start play in the Babe Ruth league and challenge that left field fence, I wasn't sure if I could knock it over or not, but early in league play in '64 as a 13 year old I hit one out foul over the basketball court and knew it was only a matter of time before I hit one fair. I hit two over fair as a 13 year old, one over the goal post as a 14year old and two as a 15 year old, one right handed and turned around for my only left handed at bat and almost hit the house in right field, both in the same game. My time frame for this was 1964'66. Joe the teams in the Babe Ruth league were my team the Germantown Optimist, Germantown Lions, Mt. Airy and your team Continential Post. As for people who inspired me my father was first on the list as he was always happy to watch me play but never pushed too hard, next would be Jack Smith, he was very instumental in my never quit or give up attitude as that was all he ever expected of us wether we were winning or losing. Richie, SFA '64, NC '68
Richard Pio, Born bred in G-town 1950-95, now in Ocala Fl. area [04-06-2011]

Ed, I remember going to Woodside Park in West Philly and Willow Grove Park.
joe leone [04-06-2011]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty, We look forward to seeing you on the first, Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [04-06-2011]

The corner stores were neat & a lot of them. After I was married, we lived in Glenside for 32 years along with many others who grew up in G'tn. There is a wonderful grocery there by the name of O'Neills. It is like the "old neighborhood." You always met someone who told you something that somebody didn't want you to know.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-06-2011]

The park for the picnic was Willow Grove where the Mall is now. Because I didn't go to SFA, I went with my mother & aunt m=in my aunt's 1930 Plymouth. I remember the Mountain Scenic. I was too young for the Thunderbolt. And I can still picture the wonderful grove of trees where the picnic tables were. The altar boy picnic was a t Riverview Beach Park. That was open to families so of course we went. The boys raised Caine running aroung the boat. What simple fun! My mother would not let us swim because of the fear of polio. I think this was already discussed. Riverview is still there but it can only be reached by land. The rides & all are gone but it's a wonderful open space with play areas. I forget the route number but can find out if anyone wants to know.
denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-06-2011]

Joe D'Agostino, family aside, there are a couple people that have had a big impact on my life. One guy, a priest, turned out to be credibly accused in the priest scandals. I don't condone or defend in any way what he did, but I never saw that in him and I still have a hard time reconciling who I knew to what he did. He was defrocked and died young shortly after. I know what he did, but I also can't forget what he did for me. Another was of a Germantown connection. Geoge Foy owned Foy Buick in the 300 block of West Chelten Avenue. He hired me for my first real job after high school. It didn't work out and he let me go. It's never easy to be let go, but I knew he was right. Shortly after, his bookkeeper left and, seeing an apptitude for numbers and detail in me, he offered the job to this inexperienced 19yo outright. That confidence in me, gave me the confidence to go back to night school to get my degree in accounting/finance. Had he not done that, I don't know how I would have ended up or what I would be doing now. I met up with him years later, after I was established and took advantage of the opportunity to thank him for all he did for me, the opportunity he gave me and his confidence in me. He appreciated that. I'm really glad I did because he died within a year.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-06-2011]

I meant to say I do NOT know most of the people on this blog. Shows I should not write late at night & proofread better.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-06-2011]

Kevin McKernan - enjoyed your story. Felt like I was right there. Like your Dad, you may very well have a wee bit of the shenachie in you as well....
Dennis McGinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-06-2011]

e burke Willow Grove Park now another SC
anon [04-06-2011]

E. Burke, Your not talking about Willow Grove park are you? Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [04-06-2011]

Hi Shiela ... Your right those darn cartons that hold the ice cream are getting smaller ... and the tastycake pies definitely are. What the heck is this world coming to! Are you joining us on the 1st ? i hope so . Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [04-06-2011]

To Alan Conner-If you want more info about JSJenks go to http://www.circlegame.com/jenks You'll find quite abit of info that you can relate to. Lou Giorno
lou giorno, Lou NECHS 53 [04-05-2011]

That's what I miss the most about the years we grew up in Germantown..the corner stores. Everybody knew each other and it was where moms got the latest news. If you did something wrong mom would usually find out at the store. We used to take soda bottles back to the store for our Saturday movie money. Who would have ever guessed that those seemingly normal things would provide such memories?
Sheila [04-05-2011]

Although I know most of the people on the blog, i plan to attend the reunion on May 1. I want to put faces to names.
denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-05-2011]

Reminising this morning about the good old days when we were kids, I was trying to remember the name of the amusement park that we used to go to after the last day of school. We got there by taking a trolley,I remember.I can't remember the name . Could somebody enlighten me. Thanks
e burke [04-05-2011]

Lou: It is good to see you posting again and you are not really getting older since your blogs are getting better. You are not even ruffling any feathers since many of the bloggers who responded to your posts were from the Hollow and they called that game-Nutting. Mr. Hollow,Paul Borian, has a PHD in Nutting. You moved to Mt. Airy from Germantown and you must have know Frank Rizzo[PPD] who also lived in MT. Airy. Frank Rizzo really ruffled Frank Birdman Phalen's feathers and other parts when he had an encounter with him in a prison-cell-live by the sword and you die by the sword. You mentioned the 23 trolley car and that trolley always passed Gtn.&Erie where big Frank had his beat when he was on foot-patrol. I am very intrigued that you had such a great connection to Germantown Avenue which is one of the great streets in Philadelphia-starting in Chestnut Hill and terminating near Girard Ave. You grew up at Gtn.&Logan and spent over 35 years at Jenks School which is located on Gtn. Ave. We do not get much information about the area of Gtn.&Logan on this site. I knew the Stevens Brothers from SFA and they lived on Logan in a big house. Their mother taught dancing to the SFA kids and Al Patrizi was a good dancer-almost as good as Tom Cusack,the dancing machine. You lived near Bittner's bakery, and Billy Bittner was always pumping iron. Spence's hardware store was near-by and Don Spence was a smart kid at SFA. You lived in a central location-SFA,St. Mike's,The Public Schoo[Shafer],Wister Park,Happy Hollow,and even a cemetery. At St. Mike's,you must have known Tony DeAngelo,a gentleman and a very good baseball player from The Hollow. My father,Urban Schmitt, taught him at The Prep. My father taught John Gillespie Jr. at The Prep and Mr. Gillespie taught you at North. At North, John Hilferty was in your home-room and we talked about that great quarter-back at Dolph Krivda's Funeral. You went to SFA and you might have known John Berkery,The Legendary Entrepreneur,Ed Kane,a prominent attorney,Jack Scanlan,son of the famous football coach,Jack Murphy,the famous bartender at The Shamrock on Germantown Ave. You probaly knew Doctor John Flaherty from SFA. We have many bloggers on this site from The Hollow and you had to know Goo Guarinello-raconteur,entrepreneur,athlete and coach and friend of so many people. I have to tell you that he told me a white lie and said to me that I was a good shooter. He commenced to win every game in pig and I was fortunate that we only played for quarters 50+ years ago. I am sure that you knew The Raffale Brothers and especially Rocky,the great baseball player with an unique personality. Paul Borian learned how to play poker from great teachers like Goo and Rocky. Goo was also a poet and one of his students,Frank Baggs Klock, will submit some beautiful poetry in the future. Lou! I hope that you don't eschew my purview and this is a great Web-site with a very fair Web-master. Continue to blog and I am sure you will contribute so much to our site with your interesting background. Your friend,Frank Westside, likes your style and your polyglotic vocabulary. There is a reception for my wife,Ludmila,at The Moore Library of Rider University on April 21 at 4:30. I hope that Dan Hartnett one of the great bloggers on this site can now attend. I will try to say something about the Indians which you might have learned about from Mr. Riggs at GBC.
JB Schmitt [04-05-2011]

I wrote in asking aboult places in Germ.that are gone,But no one anwsers not deep enough? Marie,hope I did not mispell?
Marie Bommentre [04-05-2011]

Lou Giorno: I remember the same things as you regarding the trolley car changes except in my case I was living in Tioga and our trolley was the 33 that ran from 22nd and Venango to Front and Arch in center city. We called the new cars "streamliners" also. The older ones that they replaced had wooden benches (imagine that today) and a motorman kiosk by the center doors. I also remember the soldiers who had rifles with bayonets attached. The reason for the soldiers was for protection because of some riots in North Philly. Both the 23 and 33 passed through there. I don't recall what precipitated the riots. I also remember German prisoners of war being marched down 21st street on some kind of work detail. We still got our milk delivered then by horse and wagon. In the winter, the cream would freeze and expand in the bottles and rise up with the cap sitting on top. In those days you had to shake a bottle of milk up to blend in the cream which was always on top of the milk. It was not yet homogenized.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-05-2011]

JBS: I got a kick out of your quotation from Spiro Agnew "nattering nabobs of negativism". His characterizations were most amusing. Do you remember this one, also from Agnew, "pusillanimous pussyfooters"? I don't remember who he attributed it too except it would have been someone on the left who he detested. The only other scribe who I think is that creative is Kevin McKernan who has that very deft and amusing touch with words, though I don't think he would want to be likened to Agnew either politically or ethically.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-05-2011]

Hi Bill Cupo: Your post registered with me on a number of points. I do remember Arnone's on Wister St. at 65th Ave. and it was exactly as you described it. I also recall them having a daughter named Tina, unless she was Antoinette. My wife and I also go to Altomonte's often which is just 10 minutes from us. They opened another place several years ago right north of Doylestown. Both places do a strong business. I also remember Jack Ruby shooting Oswald on TV. I saw it live and was wondering if it was real until the reporters made clear that it was. I was home on leave from the Army at the time, serving my "draft".
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-05-2011]

Dennis Crowley, Hope all is well with you and yours. Nice to hear from an old neighbor. We were at 243 W. Abbottsford. A huge home, or so we thought, in those days. LOL
Dave Byrne, SFA 58, NECH 62, Drexel 66, Navy 72, etc. etc. [04-05-2011]

Hi Everyone, Just a reminder that on May 1st we are getting together at lafontans for our luncheon ... i hope everyone on this site can make it ... it will be a good time had by all ... Please let Linda and i know if your able to make it so Linda can give the restaurant a head count ... Thanks Rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [04-05-2011]

Lou Giorno- GBC and baseball. I played at the GBC during the late 50’s and early 60’s I cannot think of the names of the teams for Little League and Babe Ruth League. I know I played Little League for Rotary and my best friend John Petty played fro the Mother’s Club Wildcats. As for Babe Ruth I played for Continental Post. Do you or anyone remember the team names during those days? Also, as for the home runs, I hit a couple over that high left field fence and was always trying to hit to the short porch in right, if you recall, the fence in right had a short section and a lower fence. As far as the longest ball I ever hit at the GBC...was a foul ball that landed on the roof of that church that was directly across from the GBC entrance. I also think Rich Pio hit a couple over that LF Fence. I also remember Ed Sterns who was one of the most knowledgeable coaches I ever had. I always like baseball, but he gave me a love for the game. He used to show me a baseball card of Bill Haas and tell me some day he would be showing my cards to kids. I had a few tryouts,but never made it, but because of Ed Stern I had self worth. We sometimes forget the people in our life that made an impact. Maybe our Germantown friends should talk about the people in Germantown that made and impact on their lives. I know my parents made the most impact on my life, but Ed Stern was someone special to me. So tell us "Who Made An Impact On Your Life Germantowner's? Joe DAgostino-GHS 1965
Joe DAgostino [04-05-2011]

Bill Cupo, you transported me back to the days when we could bathe in the aromas of the Italian deli. I never visited the one you recall so fondly, but there was, maybe still is, one just like it on 9th St in S. Phila. There are huge vats of olives lining the aisles and all manner of cheeses and meats hanging from hooks. Heaven! And my favorite Italian restaurant anywhere in the world is still 'Villa di Roma', also on 9th St. Same decor, same menu, same everything after all these years; why mess with a good thing. And remember the Jewish delis with big vats of kosher pickles! For a similar sensation, drop in to my cousin Dan's shop, The Chestnut Hill Cheese Shop on Gtn. Ave. at Highland Ave. My Uncle Joe started it many, many years ago and Dan and his partner have kept it going. If you go, tell Dan that his cousin Catherine sent you.
CMM [04-05-2011]

CMM If you recall CA had boys in grades 1 thru 4 I was there from 61'-65' then went to St. Francis
anonymous [04-05-2011]

Bill Cupo, where I live, just oustide Philly, you just can't beat Carl Venezia for meats and the Corropolese Bakery. Like they did back in those days in Germantown, the Italians just know how to do it right and do it better....
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-05-2011]

Thursday, April 4, 1968 is a day I will never forget. My grandmother died in the morning and Martin Luther King was shot and killed in the evening. I was a safety and her passing resulted in my being late for duty. I was reported and the nun in charge was mad, and I didn't have it in me to tell her why. With MLK, I was collecting on my newspaper route at the time. I was collecting on Chew Avenue, across from the Acme. The woman let me in, then went to get the money, when the breaking news came over the tv. That was how I found out.... A sad day all around for me.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-05-2011]

Dan Hartnett ! Another little tidbit about the Japanese surrender aboard the Missouri; MacArthur was infuriated when the Japanese diplomat took too long to sign the surrender document because he had to wait for the translation. MacArthur wrote that he wanted to slap him across the face but because he was so concerned about his image and his place in history, he thought better of it. I for one would haved loved to see it. Take care !
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [04-05-2011]

Thanks Dan Hartnett for posting that link of the Japanese surrender. How humiliating, deservedly so, that had to be for the Japanese surrender team. Amazing footage....
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-05-2011]

Tastykakes are definitely getting smaller, as are Breyers ice cream cartons. Have you noticed how small they are?
Sheila [04-05-2011]

Kevin, most "firsts" tend to be a memory, so I've not given up hope that this younger generation will have a fond memory of at least one "first". :)
Sheila [04-05-2011]

Paul Borian, thanks for the kind thoughts. Yes, we weren't all beautiful/handsome and talented; it was a hard slog growing up in Gtn for many of us. We don't like to hear or read about the dark side of life (pedophile priests, alcoholic parents, domestic violence, etc) but it was there in spades. I suspect we all had an outlet, a place we could go to, either within ourselves or in the community, where we could be happy and find peace. For me, it was the ballet, more specifically Jean Williams' ballet school. Jean was like a mother to me, or more precisely, like a mother should be, encouraging me, fostering my talent and, most of all, teaching only love. I never paid a cent for my years of lessons, except those she taught at CA; just did a lot of babysitting for her 2 girls, Gail and Kim. As the song from 'A Chorus Line' goes: everything is beautiful at the ballet. RIP Jean. You are an angel, surely teaching the other angels to dance and introducing them to cool jazz and diaper-pail punch!
Cathy Manning Muir, SFA'57, CA'61, Temple'73 +++ [04-05-2011]

Herr Schmitt: Du bist richtig! (you are correct.) Despite what we Irish and Italians like to think, twelve German families from Krefeld, Germany, founded Germantown in 1683. And they were not speaking the King's language, if you follow me. In fact, I believe German was only one vote short of becoming our official language in Congress when they were deciding such matters. Now as fate would have it, I found myself, as a young soldier, stationed in the Frankfurt/Gelnhausen area in Germany during the early sixties. This afforded me the chance to explore the countryside your ancestors and our founders of G'town came from. It also enabled me to attend the greatest wedding I had ever been invited to-- along with the best soup served in Christendom. This was unlike any wedding reception I attended up to that time, (sometimes even invited) at the Masonic Hall-- Lou Giorno mentioned this Hall in an earlier post. A fellow NCO was marrying a darling little fraulein from a small village and asked me to serve as best man. The town traced its roots back to the 12th century. (We really are a young Nation.) It was such a beautiful little town I found myself wondering why anyone would leave it. But things are not always as they appear; throughout the course of the day, half of those I met expressed a desire to come to America, and not just to visit. As the bride came out of her house, in a beautiful white gown, flower garland in her hair, I joined in behind her and my friend, as did each household after us until the entire town was walking to church, all throwing flowers along the way. It was a royal-like procession. The church was a work of art. Someone told me that one of the Bachs' had once played and approved of its organ. After the ceremony, the entire town gathered in a huge barn set up for the occasion. That's when the music, singing and toasting began. We toasted the bride and groom naturally, then their future kinder, even JFK was remembered along with Richard Wagner and myself for coming all the way from Germantown, USA. They liked that! (and this was all with Schnaps and steins of beer, mind you.) When it finally came my turn to toast, I offered up one, in niche gut Deutsche, for the Nordic God Thor…to a thunderous applause. Hell, they were applauding everything any anything at this point; even the pigs were toasted. As consciousness was leaving me (I'm not a drinker), the last thing I recall was a poke in the ribs from the groom asking: "Who the Hell is Thor?Did I invite him?" Some hours later, two large Frau's had gathered me up and set me at a table for a bowl of the best potato with sausage soup that I have ever had. This soup remains one of my favorites and I strongly recommend it for hangovers. Auf Wiedersehen! and danke to Germantown's founding fathers from Krefeld, Germany.
Kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, CA., Old St Vincent's and CD [04-05-2011]

Hey Cathy, I loved skating at Gustine Lake, You coud take the bus from Gtn & Chelten. I too learned to skate there. My brother skated to the middle of the lake and said, "c'mon out." So i learned to skate. One more thing my brother taught me. Part of the Arthur Ashe tennis courts are there now. I went to Wissahickon skating just about every Friday with a whole group from CA. I guess that was about 7th to 10th grade.
anonymous [04-05-2011]

"Denny" Crowley - Welcome aboard! I so remember going to your house for Cub Scout meetings. My mother & your mother were den mothers. Your family was the first family i ever knew who had a dishwasher How is the rest of yor family?.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-05-2011]

JBS - glad younger happy with Lou - do you research your posting information with a library prior to initiating one of your epistles ? If so, continue with your many scrabble worthy "polyglotic" words - that must be worth 20 points on the scrabble board. LOL
Frank Westside [04-03-2011]

Sheila and Linda Fontana: Ladies, thank you for your positive feedback. I'm glad my post touched some dormant memories. The idea of several little black and white children watching their first black and white TV--in wonderment--left me smiling and wanting to share this memory. I wonder if today's kids will remember when they get got their "newest thing" like we remember the arrival of our first "boob tube?"
Kevin, Santa Barbara, CA., Old St Vincent's and CD [04-03-2011]

Del Connor, We were at the same party at Mintzer's house during that snow storm, I remember the walk home in a heavy snow. I still hear from Lou Mintzer every so often. I remember the paper branch at the end of our street. While I never had a route of my own I did fill in when people were on vacation or away for the weekend. I remember John Wills very well. He and I were on the safety patrol at Fitler and worked the corner of Manheim & Keyser. I was going through some old papers the other day and came across his death notice and an article from the Courier that were inside a thank you card from his mother. He lived at 5016 Keyser Street. He died on Jan. 3, 1967 and he was buried from Kirk & Nice in the Hillside cemetery in Glenside. I remember that being a very difficult day.
Bill H., 61, Olney [04-03-2011]

Dan Hartnet, thanks for the youtube clip about the Surrender of the Japanese. Nice to see solid closure, unlike today's tendency to ooze into and out of wars, or kinetic military actions, etc. Even Nam after all those years and lives didn't seem to have a clean resoloution.
John Payne, show me the ruins of the buildings, once so tall... [04-03-2011]

JP: Joe Kennedy, the son of Irish immigrants, was Goo Goo writ large. The source of Joe Kennedy's wealth is no secret and he learned young, starting with his paper routes. To quote "J.P. was what we call an operator. He made his money by (1) pulling various hustles before it had occurred to anyone to make them illegal, and (2) possibly pulling other hustles that were definitely illegal but generally winked at. His stock-market shenanigans were an example of the former, his Prohibition liquor business (never proven, by the way) an example of the latter." See CLICK and many, many other reliable sites for details. JFK's narrow victory in 1960 was in no small part due to Joe's 'influence' with Mayor Daley Sr. in Chicago. (Nothing to do with Gtn other than a side step from discussion about the paper branch and Seymour & Tacoma.)
CMM [04-03-2011]

Never did get to deliver the newspaper. I went to the little corner branch at Tacoma and Seymour when I was about ten. I think I was in the fifth grade, but they said I wasn't old enough. I think they wanted me to be twelve. There was also some discussion about needing a wagon as I recall. Bummer. Anyway, I then went to Palo's market, and got some part time work delivering orders.
John Payne [04-03-2011]

Anonymous: I have wondered about the size of the Tastykakes, and if they were getting smaller, or if it is just because we are so much bigger (thanks to too many Tastykakes), and they just seem smaller.
John Payne [04-03-2011]

How many of you GTNers remember the old 23 trolleys being replaced by the newer streamlined trolleys? I think it was in the early 40's. During WWII I recall soldiers riding the 23 trolley & they were there to prevent racial tensions. Anyone remember these things?? Lou Giorno
lou giorno, Lou NECHS 53 [04-03-2011]

Hello G-towners ! Living here in Chalfont, Bucks County, you really miss all the little stores that were a big part of growing up in Germantown. I especially miss a great little Italian deli on Wistar st. off of Stenton Ave. called "Arnone's". I went to I.C. with his son Anthony and took his daughter, Antoinette, to her senior prom. Anyway, every Saturday my dad and I would take the Rambler to his store and pick up our order. When you walked into Mr.Arnone's store you were struck immediately by the image of a skinned pig hanging on a meat hook. The various smells in the deli were just delightful and sometimes overpowering. Provolone cheeses, also hanging from the ceiling, provided the most obvious smell. He also had a big barell of pickels that I always had to have with our order and their smell was enough to bring tears to your eyes. Our order usually consisted of Capacola(pronounced "Gabba Ghoul" phonetically), provolone, Genoa salami, and boiled ham. Sometimes I would ask my dad to buy me a Hormel Piccolo salami; a small, very hard salami that you had to unwrap before you ate. Of course, our order always had a half dozen Italian rolls and a jar of extremely hot peppers that my father consumed. I once caught him in the kitchen eating the peppers right from the jar with a roll and saw that his face was bright red and tears running down his cheeks; they were that hot! He would sometimes suffer from eating them but that never discouraged him from treating himself again. My most vivid memory of Arnone's was not the food we got from there but a moment in history that people our age will never forget. When we arrived home with our order, one Saturday in November of "63", we no sooner got out of the car in front of our house when my Mother came out onto the porch and screamed that Oswald had been shot on live t.v.. Since that weekend was a great tragedy, we got to see it over and over again but we missed it live. Funny how certain things stand out in your mind and that's how I remember one of the most infamous days in our history. Once in a while, I'll go out of my way to find an Italian deli; we have one close by in Warminster called "Altomonti's". It's more of a little supermarket than a deli but you can still find Italian deli meats and even a tomato pie there. What it doesn't have is the atmosphere of Germantown; then again, nothing really does. Take care everybody !
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [04-03-2011]

lou! you are right on ! i do belive that some indivuiduls go over the top. let them email each other for some of their personal and private things that are fun to remember for them,but boring to us. no offence to any one, but i am like you i like to read about germantown frank.
frank, lansdale [04-03-2011]

CMM...I trust that your senior year at CA was much better than the previous year.We guys also had some tough times back in the day.For example,I started playing basketball around the age of ten at the Germantown Boys Club.I was tall,awkard,and unskilled.Because of my height,we were winning all of our games by a wide margin.I would continually shoot the ball at the basket until it finally went through the net.Most of the time,it would take several shots before I scored a basket.Half way through our unbeaten season,I improved my basketball skills to a point where they no longer allowed me to play.I became the coach.Can you believe it!I was devastated.I looked at myself as a freak.A year later,I left the club and discovered Happy Hollow.I was right at home with all the other freaks(and nuts,characters,etc)So you see,my heartache turned out to be a blessing...Paul Borian
Paul Borian, I'm blessed to have forgotten most of my heartaches growing up in Grmantown. [04-03-2011]

Joe L.- I have to tell you that your posts and the comments about your posts have been so very interesting. I liked also the way you framed the contributions of your friends to our Germantown site. Sometimes,I almost feel that there are soboteurs who do not want this site to be successful. This site should not be a place for nattering nabobs of negativism. Joe ! You are old enough to remember that quote from Spiro Agnew. You and your friend from Down-under agree that we should be open-minded and hear varied commentary and thoughts. My connection with you consisted mostly of sports at Fernhill. You can not judge a book by looking at it's cover and you looked like a jock but you were a ladies-man. At the time, I thought Bob Kephart and Al Patrizi ruled at Fernhill. It was fate that your car broke down after The Prom. You knew John Payne,and Jim Kehan who had a friendly connection with The Legendary John Berkery of Pottsville Fame. Big John had a rep for beautiful cars and women. John and Jimmy could have put in a good word to Berkery and you would have been driving a real automobile. John Berkery went to The Prep and he had nothing against Explorers but he was a Big Cat and he did not like rats. He would have recommended The Celebrity Room in Center City and not The Chinese restaurant at Gtn.&Chelten-Lin-Ton's. You wanted to go to Sciolla's in North Philly and that was a good stop especially for LaSalle Explorers. You might have known Guy Sciolla from LaSalle High[Defense Attorney] since his father owned the establishment. The Sciolla Family also owned Gene's on The Boulevard and I am interjecting that info since many of The rich Germantowners moved to The Northeast including Big John Burke of beautiful Hansberry St. in West Germantown. I hope none of the negative people on this site have a problem with John Berkery and John Burke since they are a couple of husky Hibernians from West Germantown. I want to commend you and your friends,both male and female, for writing such outstanding blogs. It would be a tragedy if you and these good people terminated posting.
Bruce [04-03-2011]

Dan Hartnett, Was that Evening Bulletin wooden wagon ever retrieved? I have friends who have one in their family room. They use it as a newspaper/magazine rack. I always smile when I see it as it brings back fond memories of my childhood on Haines Street. However, in your case, I'm sure seeing one of these "antiques" would evoke a different reaction. As a child, I often wondered if those wagons were the property of the EB or if the newspaper boy were responsible for purchasing his own. Now I know..... thanks to your post.....albeit 59 years later. Also, thanks for providing the link re surrender ceremony of Japanese to General McArthur. I learn something, whether big or small, almost every time I read this blog. Thanks for the memories
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; ic '55; cdhs '59 [04-03-2011]

Lou Giorno, Re: "AHA!I ruffled a few feathers with my last post. I'm entitled to speak my mind & how I feel about what I consider Email material not GTN Thoughts." I used to feel the same as you, when I first got online about 12 years ago. I was on sites that folks would do just what you are referring to, and I also posted my displeasure at what I thought should have been emails. I quickly learned that, other then rules of common decency and the "webmaster", there really aren't any rules as to what can and can not be posted. This message board isn't much different then most message boards. Like most message boards, it has it's core group of posters, who like to keep the thread going.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [04-03-2011]

Dan Hartnett: Little trivia about the surrender of Japan ceremony aboard the USS Missouri. Originally it was supposed to be aboard Adm. Halsey's flagship, the USS New Jersey, but in deference to the president, Harry S Truman, who was from Missouri, they switched it to the USS Missouri. In the 60's I served aboard one of the ships that escorted the USS Missouri into Tokyo Harbor.
John Fleming, Tampa Bay, Florida CD'62 [04-03-2011]

Raised at 222 Abbottsford, Happy Hollow, St. Francis and Germantown Boys Club. Just found this site from Joe Lynch. Lots of great stuff -- still reading -- will post more later -- can we post up photos?
Dennis Crowley, 67, Retired, living in Sewell and Cape May [04-03-2011]

To JB SCHMITT-Thanks for the kudos-I lived in lower GTN at Logan St & Gtn. Ave.one block from SFA & St.Michaels. I didn't know Dolph-George or Brute personally,I knew who they were & passed them many times in the halls. Players that I did know were in my homeroom-Bob Lyons-Jack Hilferty & a few others-can't remember their names.John Gillespie was my History teacher-they were the GLORY DAYS-during my tenure at NECHS -We were Catholic league & City champs. I'm sad that NECHS had to close this year I was always filled with great school spirit. I attended my 50th anniversary in 2003 & was able to renew many friendships from North. Lou Giorno
Lou Giorno, Lou NECHS 53 [04-03-2011]

Hi again Del; I remember John Wills very well. He went all through Fitler with me. He was a nice young kid, not a problem to anyone. I remember Eddie Jabs in my classes too. I was told he was driving the bike when the accident occurred. I also heard he took it very hard, he and John were best of friends.
wayne doneker, john Wills [04-03-2011]

Anybody remember Gustine Lake down by the Schuylkill River? It's long gone now, under Roosevelt Expressway pilings, I think. It froze over in winter in great waves and lumps, caused by the wind blowing over the rainwater that collected there. I learned to ice skate there, nothing fancy, just able to stand up and keep going forward. I sometimes went to the ice rink in Chestnut Hill as well, but it was difficult getting there and back by public transportation. My daughter went there with her school class one afternoon and I got a call from Gtn Hospital that she was in the emergency room. Seems she had fallen and someone skated over her hand! She needed stitches and during the procedure I passed out. I woke up on a stretcher with her little face next to mine saying, "Mommy, Mommy, wake up!"
Cathy Manning Muir, Sadder but wiser. [04-03-2011]

Re: Tasty Kake being in trouble. I think their sales might increase if they went back to their original size. Have you seen how small they are these days?
anonymous [04-02-2011]

Hey, Lou, What's the problem with people writing the things which come to mind about their time in G'tn. I read the blog almost everyday even though I personally know very few who write - some I know by name only. However, I enjoy every word & have learned many things I didn't know about the area and other things which sparked my own memories. I skip the wordy parts which do not interest me. It seems most people who post are from the west side of Wayne Ave. Little is written about our area Between Greene and Wayne but that doesn't change my memories of Kane & Brown, Ralph's, the drugstores, the Tippet & Doyle girls, Mauer's & its connection to the Alcotts, & of course all the wonderful stores which stretched along Germantown & Chelten Avenues. I saw BUTTERFIELD 8 at the Colonial -SINNER- and did you know Bredenbeck's is still in business in Chestnut Hill & baked the birthday cake for Elton John? So lighten up & learn from all.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-02-2011]

Lou, here's what to do. Look at the entry. If it from one of those people who bore you to death, DON'T READ IT, LOU. I was the paper boy on Tacoma Street, Wayne Avenue, Clapier Street and Logan Street. What a sweet gig. Bee Bee Rossie had that route befoe me. I knew the people on Tacoma Street. The Bones, the Obsts, the McClemments. On Clapier Street there were the Durkins, the Kellys, the Keehans and others. Can you imagine a paper route that ended up at Sal's? I've always been lucky.
Jack Brogan, Don't think twice it's alright. [04-02-2011]

For those of you interested in World War II, below is a link to the surrender ceremony of the Japanese to General McArthur and allied commanders aboard the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. The illustrious Bernie McKernan suggested I post it and he reminded me that given our advanced ages, we could probably relate to it much more so than younger generations. Commentary follows: Japanese Surrender - Amazing Footage Sept 2, 1945 ACTUAL VOICE OF GENERAL McARTHUR NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO GENERAL PUBLIC BEFORE. Please click on below. A keeper. This is a 'must see' for the WWII history buff or anyone interested in history. Interesting the other signers to the document, from New Zealand/Australia to Europe/Russia. This is an actual film made of the surrender ceremony of the Japanese to McArthur in Tokyo Bay in September 1945. Actual voice of the General. Never been shown to the general public before. We always saw the "stills" but never the film itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcnH_kF1zXc
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-02-2011]

Posting removed at the request of the author.

AHA!I ruffled a few feathers with my last post. I'm entitled to speak my mind & how I feel about what I consider Email material not GTN Thoughts.That being said,I lived at the corner of Gtn. ave & Logan Street for 21Yrs attended Shaffer school-SFA & St.Michael's-moved to East Gtn after getting married in 1956 lived in an apt.above my Father's barber shop until moving to Mt.Airy in 1956. I am well versed about my many experiences & times in GTN.I was a teacher for the Phila. School Dist.for 35 yrs.and was a teacher & Dean of Students at the John Story Jenks school from 1961 until my retirement in 1993.If my judgement About Emails vs Gtn. blogs is incorrect,I apologize to one & all.Sincerely--Louis F. Giorno(75yrs young-& still going strong)
Lou Giorno, lou nechs 53 [04-02-2011]

Phillies, what a opening day game, hope thats a sign of good thing's to come - another Championship
Al Patrizi, sfa 56 - west side [04-02-2011]

I remember winning the trip to see IKEs 2ND INAUUGURATION nice train ride down roudy at the parade. At dinner in the railcar house some one asked what kind of meat we were eating? the server said rattlesnake meat and all hell broke out. FOOD FLYING EVERYWHARE. I remember this house owed about 6 weeks payment. On a sunday morning I tossed the paper up to the the top of 2 flights of steps and the wind sailed it thru the storm door window. The women came running out of the house and paid me the back money and said do not worry about the window. I served from pulaski and seymour. Queen lane, and wakefield street accross the street scales pizza and bread bakery.
RAY DAWES, 68 live in Oreland SFA 57 NC 59 GTN 61 NICKS 64 [04-02-2011]

CMM> I'm not necessarily a Joe Kennedy fan, but I don't really know enough about him to be a foe either. I know he receives some bad press regarding questionable beer distribution practices during prohibition, but I really do not have any independent verification of that activity. That being said, I do find your charge of peer exploitation interesting, regarding his hiring of his peers to deliver newspapers; an early use of sub-contractors one might say. I suspect you are not a fan of the senior Kennedy, otherwise, you may have praised him for being entrepreneurial as a lad, and not only earning his own spending money with a paper route, but also providing employment for "x" number of other youngsters at a time when jobs were hard to come by, and yes, making some additional (dare I say it) profit for himself. Since he had no particular sway or muscle (at least none indicated)over these lads, and since they presumably had parents who could have intervened, it seems that their servitude was voluntary. Now granted, it sounds like he was being successful at an early age, and success in America these days is often challenged as the successful person having obviously done something unscrupulous. But, if we are going to condemn the patriarch of one of America's royal families, then what does this say for Goo Goo? Was he exploiting the Kennedys and Brogans and Borians of Germantown with his house number painting schemes. Oh no. Say it isn't so.
John Payne, sometimes we curse the darkness rather than lighting a candle. [04-02-2011]

ATTENZIONE!Lou! I was so impressed with your polyglotic vocabulary and bringing German and Italian cultures into this site. Some of my best friends are Italian and German-living in places like Deutschland,Argentina,Brooklyn,and San Diego-there is a little Italy in San Diego. Many of the bloggers on this site are not Italian but love The Italian Culture. Paul Borian,A great Armenian-American had a mentor at Happy Hollow by the name of Bobby Goo Guarinello who taught him how to play poker and read the intricaies of the Daily News-if you like baseball and horses, you know what I mean. Another multi-cultural guy was the old red-head from The Hollow -John Payne. He was good friends with an Italian-American,Joe DiPasquale and they were proud marines. Joe Lynch,whose mother came from Ireland was friends with Joe DeAngelo,a very literate guy and look how well The old jock writes now. Joe Lynch and I liked Italian food and we frequented Sciolla's at 5th&Pike where music was also played. I am still friends with Lou Pauzano and I always liked those old Italian neighborhoods in South Philly where he now lives. Lou! What neighborhood were you from in G-town. Were you friends with Frank Wayside or Joe Procopio from Waterview and a great football player at North. Recently, I attended a Funeral for Dolph Krivda who was in your class at North, he was a great guy and athlete. At the viewing, I talked to John Goshow and George Veneziale-2 great football players. Were you friends with these aformentioned guys and Jim Brute Walsh who was one of Coach Gillespie's favorite players. You spelled achtung correctly and it pleases me that you connect with my ancestor's culture. Many people seem to forget that Germantown started with Germans who came to The US to avoid religious persecution. Most of the people on this site are open-minded and tolerant of individuals of different ethnicities and religious beliefs. Lou! Keep posting and have some good Vino for Easter.
John Bruce Schmitt [04-02-2011]

Kevin McK. You just brought back a 'flood' of memories..to this "G" town girl...I remember a store called Korvette's..and also Kmart doing lay a way plans......it really helped the economy...because, even if you didn't have the money with you, that day...you could put your things on the layaway plan..and then within about one month....pick them up/ Otherwise sales may have been a bit down for that month in certain stores.And also, back then more things were made in the good old USA..and we were PROUD of it/Whatever happened to that concept? Today it is 'pay with charge cards for most people, pay the bills with high interest/or choose to ignore completely paying..and risk bad credit/ I am more like your mother was-pay as you go/or don't get it..so, "Thanks for the Memories",as Bob Hope would say...take care, Linda "F"/
L.Fontana [04-02-2011]

Thank you Anonyms. You are right; it was the Mintzers on Pulaski Avenue. I remember going to a big party there on a Friday night in February of '64 while in 8th grade. The Beatles had appeared on Ed Sullivan a few weeks before and I brought Meet the Beatles and Introducing the Beatles on the VJ label to the party. They were the hit of the party. I still have them and amazingly there are no skips or major scratches. Some tuff vinyl. It had snowed all through the party that night. When we left the Mintzers the snow was deep and there was no traffic. We walked in mass down the middle of the streets on the way home. Back up a few months and I remember sitting in my parents '55 Ford on Tacoma next to the paper branch with a few others paperboys folding papers and looking at the Bulletin magazine. My brother Al had just got his license and was sitting in the drivers seat. In the magazine was a big article about this group that was storming Europe and was coming to America soon. Looking at their long hair and jackets without collars we all laughed and said they would never make it here. What a funny name, the Beatles. It reminded us of roaches, not The Crickets. Move ahead about six years and I was in art school. My painting teacher was from Korea. Kim Sue. After a day out painting along the river drive the class ended up for a party at Kim Sue's house. Two doors down from the Mintzers. Small world. Speaking Of Tacoma Street. Does anyone remember Johnny Wills who live just above the branch? He went to Filter. Sadly died at 16 years old after falling off the back of a motorcycle and hitting his head on the ice covered parking lot of the new Cederbrook Mall. I was a pallbearer. He was buried in the catholic cemetery on Cheltenham Avenue although I don't think he ever attended St. Francis.
Del Conner [04-02-2011]

C'mon, Lou, why so crabby? Those "4 or 5 people with the boring stories (Can it be moi?) keep the Blog churning. Also,why can't we give a shout-out once in a while to friends we haven't seen in 50 years. Or,perhaps I didn't read the memo on what constitutes an interesting blog: a mention of the 23 trolley, Sal's, Goo Goo,why the neighborhood changed like that? They've all been picked over. Why don't you tell us about your favorite Saturday afternoon (before confession at 4 o'clock) or the time you had to take home a C in self-control on your report card to your mother, or my favorite, that cute-little-red-headed-girl in the back of the room and why won't she notice me? Moments of longing, pride, pain, embarrassment,discovery,first love, go a long way, especially when the writer is sincere and generous with description (always appeal to the senses). You want to banish the bloggers who can't carry their weight; I want to encourage them to open up just a little bit more, to "Tell the truth, but tell it slant." Get personal with your past, make us care for that time you got gypped at the carnival by a roustabout (Araby). Parents are great to talk about--they all struggled; we knew no rich people (Sorry, JBS) and our parents died knowing they did the best they could for us. How many of us can say that? God, there is just too much to recall and each memory sparks others. Tell you what, Lou, I'll put up with your blogs if you put up with mine.
Joe Lynch/When I was young I didn't have two nickels to my name. So I changed my name. [04-01-2011]

JBS: I am sorry to say that I can not make the reception at Moore Library on the 19th. I am committed to do a talk for a class that evening (volunteer work). Under other circumstances I would have come and I thank you for your invitation. If you see time for lunch one day, let me know. I work on Tuesdays and Wednesdays but can make most others. I hope all is well with you!
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-01-2011]

Del Connor: I too was a Bulletin boy and worked out of two different stations in Tioga prior to moving to Germantown. That was around 1951 and 1952. I remember collecting on Saturdays and being out at 6am on Sunday mornings, as well as after school. I always wanted a bike but couldn't afford one then. Some guys used to hook the canvas Bulletin bag on the handlebars and peddle down the street "no hands" and fling the folded papers through the air to the porches of their customers without missing a beat. I did save up though and bought a Bulletin wooden wagon. One Saturday after collecting, I was coming home, pulling my wagon when I was approached by two guys who asked me to change a five dollar bill. I did so and the next thing I knew was that one of them had me from behind by the neck and put a knife to my throat. I was robbed. I passed the house of a class mate whose father was a cop. His dad came right out and I was quickly driven around in a cop car. Bottom line, we found them. Willard Ludwig and Joseph Daniels were both convicted (I never forgot their names) and they were to pay me the money back. They never did. They also got probation courtesy of Judge Adrian Bonelli. I have since had a jaded view of the justice system. In any case Bulletin routes were a good way for young guys to earn some spending money which was hard to come by in those days. Thanks for refreshing my memory.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [04-01-2011]

Frank Westfield: I do not know thee and I mistakenly thought that you were The Germantown Kid- Frank Klock. Frank K. let me know clearly that he does not put out anonymous posts. Do not think that Frank is some docile poet since back in the day, he could be feisty,witty, and a very competitive and combative athlete. Like Paul Borian, I was amazed with some of the guys these Hollow gentlemen played poker. Frank Klock has to be one of the contributors to any book written about Germantown. He is one of the many great Irish-American writers who post on this Germantown Web-site. Some of these Irish Lads had unique and interesting personalities. I crossed paths with many of these Irish Chaps at various venues including Tony-Marts in Somers Points,NJ. Guys like Pocono Paul Borian, Dancing Tom Cusack,and Goony Walsh hung down the road at "The Dunes". One Day,The Pittsburg Kid, was having a taste at Tony-Mart's. The Pittsburg Kid was a handsome devil,Irish,and could have been an insurance or car salesman. Next to him at the bar was a cocky,muscular kid from The Prep. The cocky kid drops the F-bomb and The Pittsburg Kid advises him,Kid! " Button Up Your Tongue". The Younger Kid retorts,"Am I A Bleeping Goat". To make a long story short, they head to The parking-lot. The Pittsburg Kid sticks a joting left-jab in the jaw of the wise-ass kid. The fight was already over but The Pittsburg Kid follows reflexively with a right-cross. On the ground, if the defeated kid spoke Spanish, he would have said,"No Mas". The Pittsburg Kid was Billy Conn who had fought Joe Lewis for the heavy-weight championship of The World. He could have been The Champ but he went for The KO since he was cocky. He became humble and made that arrogant kid at Tony mart's very humble. I am a reserved guy and I don't want to mess with THE Germantown Kid-Frank Klock. You mentioned 2 other Irish lads who write so well -Professor James Mckernan and Dan The Man Hartnett. Obviously, The McKernan Brothers from St. Vincent's write well and should also contribute to any book about Germantown. I met Bernie Mckernan and he is very glib. When I bring a female companion to G-town reunions, they always like talking to him and his other charming friend-Dan Hartnett. Kevin McKernan from The Left Coast is another great writer and his text on this site flows like an Irish Creek in Limerick. We have many great writers on this site including the women-writers-one of them even lives Down-under. Frank! I find your posts so nebulous and opaque and I wish that I knew more about your Germantown roots-Did you climb the trees in Fernhill Park or The Rocks at Happy Hollow?
JBS [04-01-2011]

I have a Evening Bullitin wooden wagon in my family room holding all our CD and DVD.. It is just the right size and I love showing it off..
Erda (Armstrong) Graham, From the Westside [04-01-2011]

DMG: On the scale of things that I need to keep forever, my HS yearbook was not a priority. That's not to say that I wouldn't like to have it, but offloading it was a necessary decision. Not everything could come with me. However, my favorite cookbooks did travel with me to Oz and I have never regretted spending that US$1/pound to ship my Mama Leone's cookbook, 1967 edition, with sauce spatters on pages I refer to all the time, especially the pages containing the recipes for Marinara Sauce and for Meatballs. Also, my Joy of Cooking, 1973 edition, with the conversion tables in regular use, as I convert my US measurements to British/Australian equivalents. My best friend made some corn bread not long ago from one of my US recipes and they came out like lead because she failed to take into consideration the fact that an Australian tablespoon contains 4 teaspoons (20ml) while a US tablespoon holds only 3 tsp (15ml). That extra 25% of dry ingredients was a fatal mistake. I gave her a set of US measuring spoons for her next birthday so she could use US recipes without fear. PS: let's not use this blog to lecture or provide unsolicited advice to others, especially since the main offender has abused me by private email previously. None of us is an expert on everything although some are legends in their own minds.
Cathy (Manning) Muir [04-01-2011]

Re CA'61 yearbook: please don't clog up the blog. As requested, please contact me by private email if you have one to offer. Thanks.
Cathy (Manning) Muir [04-01-2011]

Del Connor, I know very well the paper branch at Seymour and Tacoma Streets. Did you know that JFK's father learned a lot about business through his childhood paper routes? He realized that he could make a lot of money without doing any work by hiring (at a pittance) other boys to make the deliveries and collections, while pocketing the entire proceeds. He had many paper routes at the same time, not just one, and made a lot of money in his youth by exploiting his peers.
Cathy (Manning) Muir [04-01-2011]

How did I miss this whole Joe Lynch, Lisa, CMM thing? Good grief! There were not that many in our class!
denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-01-2011]

Hey, Cathy - did you think to mention about the yearbook on FB? Maybe someone behind us might be willing to give up theirs. I'll try to see what I can do through the alumnae lists.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-01-2011]

Hey, Lisa, Glad to see your post. I saw that deer too while painting the Penn Fruit window. I think the store owners had this done to prevent "mischief" related to Halloween. It must have been you, Cathy Manning & I. I think we painted a cat sitting on a pumpkin. I remember the cops dragged the deer into the used car lot across the street & shot it. Its legs were broken. Quite an experience for us "city" kids.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [04-01-2011]

Lou,write some interesting stories yourself! Do you have any? Hey, most of us Germantowners weren't so smart in those days. If we were smart, we would have moved to the "Greater Northeast." If I find someone boring, someone who complains or argues politics, I moved on to JBS and he always makes me cheery. Borian always has a smart-alecky remark or two worth reading. He's funny and funky. John Payne, my ex-basketball teammate is just loosening up with his prose. Brogan pops up from Maine when he's not plowing snow or working the Nautilus. There are just so many memories and the brain shuts down: Did I write about that before. I like blogging and try to tell a small story occasionally with some link to the 1950s. Sorry if it bores you. I try to bring in topics--Jane Russell, River-View Beach Park, Sister Grace Winifred, the 53 trolley at 2 AM, the demise of private schools in Gtn., and so on. Sorry they didn't catch your imagination. Just move on. I don't mind. And you have every right to complain.
Joe Lynch/Writing is just swimming underwater holding your breath--Fitzgerald [04-01-2011]

Lou, you are right about people writing about people most of us don't know. However with that being said, there are some who just come to read and don't participate. Let's hear from some of you out there!
anonymous [04-01-2011]

Kevin, before we got our first tv set we would climb over the porch railings to the neighbor's house who had one. My grandkids can't get over that we not only had just one tv, but there was a time when we didn't have any!
Sheila [04-01-2011]

Jack Brogan...Your commentary on painting street numbers on curbs at the direction of Goo resonates with me.I remember that venture of Goo,even though I was not an unpaid participant.Years later,when my family and I moved to Doylestown,I conned my son Peter to earn some spending money by painting street numbers on curbs in our neighborhood.Even better,I convinced him to visit our neighbors to accept donations.That was one of life's lessions learned from Goo....Paul Borian
Paul Borian, 140 Meetinghouse Rd [04-01-2011]

Del Connor...Back in the late 40's,my parents made me go to Armenian school two days a week,after regular school.I had to travel from Wayne Ave.and Apsley St.to Susquehama and Marshall Streets in North Phila.It was against my will,and I hated it!The Evening Bulletin saved me.I got a paper route with 60 customers serving mainly Green St. and Abbottsford Rd.One day,a picture of me delivering a paper to a customer living on Abbottsford Rd was included in the paper.I thought that I was a celebrity.In 1951,when Bobby Thompson hit that dramatic homerun to beat the Dodgers in a playoff game enabling the Giants to win the National League pennant,in my excitement I tossed all 60 of my papers on the Wayne Ave.trolley tracks.None of my customers read the Bulletin on that very special day in my young life.A few years later,I quit my job to become one of Goo's deciples at the Hollow.That was my first great decision,much to the regret of my parents.....Paul Borian
Paul Borian, In Philadelphia,Nearly Everybody Reads the Bulletin [04-01-2011]

Del I think the family on Pulaski with 12 kids was the Mintzers
anonymous [04-01-2011]

Lou Giorno Please lighten up. I do not see any "takeover" by 'four or five' bloggers. Most contributors are informative-some even expressively creative. Enjoy all Lou!
anon [04-01-2011]

Is J.Bruce Schmitt, JBS, Bruce Schmitt, John Bruce Schmitt, Schmitty the same person and if yes, Why. Your only going to get Lou G mad.
anonymous [04-01-2011]

HAPPY HOLLOW HISTORY: You Happy Hollow Oldheads will be proud to know that the Hollow, the City of Philadelphia's oldest playground, marks its 100th year of continuous operation this year 2011. According to the City's Parks and Recreation web site, Mr. E.W. Clark, a prominent Philadelphian, purchased five acres of former quarry land with the intention of making it a playground after a young child drowned in the quarry. He hired George T. Pearson a well-known architect to design the main building known originally as the Quarry Playground House, completed in 1910 still in use today. Mrs. Clark named the playground Happy Hollow. The Clarks donated the state-of-the-art facility, to the Playground Association of Philadelphia. The opening of the Happy Hollow Playground was announced April 29, 1911. For more details including some great old photos, go to this link: http://www.phila.gov/recreation/facilities/HAPPY__HOLLOW_HISTOR.html
Jim Smith [04-01-2011]

Lou - you are a genius - thanks for your comments - in most cases you site - I agree - what the heck are these select people talking about that relates to Germantown and who exactly are they trying to impress ? I suggest they EMail each other and enjoy themselves !
Frank Eastside [04-01-2011]

To Del Connor: Yes, I remember the branch at Tacoma and Seymour; my brother Hal used to be a paper boy and took me there one day when I was 2 or 3 years old approx. 1962-63 and remember a lot of boys there getting the papers together, etc. They were messing around with me because I was young; good clean fun. I remember a large wooden table or podium and they were banging a hammer on the podium holding "court" or they were playing courtroom. I think the guy banging the hammer was supposed to be the judge. That's what I remember of the Branch.
Mark L Bambrick, raised in g-town 1960-1970. [04-01-2011]

Dave Linn: It was so sad to hear about Big Daddy Murphy pass away- he,Dave Montgomery of The Phillies,and Speedie Morris,the legendary basketball coach of The Prep, were 3 of the most famous people people of Roxborough. I never hung out at Murphy's on Henry Ave. My Brother Jack[Cactus] hung out there with his boys from East Falls. Like our mutual friend, John West, I was a Crane's guy in Germantown,Andorra,and Ambler. My brother and I marched to a differnt drum and in Germantown, he hung out at Higgin's on Queen Lane and I frequented Crane's at 333 W. Queen Lane. Murphy was active in sports and he was connected with The Wissahickon Hawks. John West was a great football player and he might have played for The Hawks. I spent time in The Roxborough Area, as did Paul Borian-especially at Kendrick Rec where guys like Speedie Morris and Frank Petellis played ball. Back in the day,Main St. in Manayunk was diferent, and Pugs like Harold Johnson went to some of the bars there. Pat Kirk of SFA[1955], married Bill Green[mayor]and he had a nice bar on Main St. Bill Green went to The Prep but Bill Green Jr. went to Penn Charter. I am getting nostalgic as I think about G-Town and Roxborough-2 great neighborhoods. I was also friendly with John West's brother-Bill. He was a good guy and I always wanted him on my team if you know what I mean. When The Continental closed, we frequently went to Kohler's Kitchen which was down The Street from Murphy's on Henry Ave. Big Daddy also owned The Beef&Ale on Germantown Pike and Bob Durkin from SFA[1956] might have tended bar there. Bob D. lived not too far from you on Pulaski Ave. Bob D. might still be teaching at Roman. You know Jim Wilkins and he might go to Murphy's since he lives in Roxborough- tell Jim that I hope he is keeping up with traffic on The Ridge and not to cross over The Bridge.
JBS [04-01-2011]

Del Conner, I could totally relate to your post as a Bulletin paperboy. I also served the Bulletin. I forget how old you had to be but I started serving that paper at 9yo, the summer before my 5th grade. I was too young, but they let me have a smaller route anyway because my 2 other brothers had paper routes. I continued serving the newspaper through 8th grade. My Mom always "volunteered" us to serve the 6:00am Mass on Sunday because we had to get up anyway to serve papers. The Sunday paper was always delivered by 8:00am... Nowadays, I get the Sunday paper between 9:00 to 10:00, depending on whether the paperman had a good night the night before. If I get it around 10:00am, I know he had a partying good time.... Back then, we also sold the old Bulletin Almanac once a year.... Serving the Bulletin wasn't always great. For awhile there, I had to pickup the papers at a branch at Wister & Devon, through an area I called the "Badlands" because I got jumped quite a few times going through there. Boy, was I glad when they moved the branch to a safer area.... I have no regrets. It was a way of making some money in my grade school years.
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [04-01-2011]

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