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November 11-20, 2010

CMM> Good luck with your quest to bring Mike's murderer to justice. That's a long time ago, and will take some very diligent work on the part of a detective, and a lot of luck. I hope you get both, and some closure.
John Payne [11-20-2010]

Ixnay on the oreignfay anguagelay. OLLay.
John Payne [11-20-2010]

JBS> Re: Molly McKee, she was Cherry's BFF in the early years of grade school. To this day, Cher still references her from time to time. Cher refers to her as Mossie. As for John Berkery's store, here's a quick anecdote: The "store" was where Orlie Petrone's pin ball store used to be. (that was also the Baltrush store at one time). It was between Sal's steak shop and Fasano's market. So, one day, this "new guy in the neighborhood" decided to open a "dry cleaning" establishment, and he offered Jimmy Kehan and I some folding cash to build a customer counter for him, just inside the store. Of course we needed supplies, so John "allowed" us to use his car to go down to the lumber yard (Sykes?) on Clarissa Ave. Of course we thought that was pretty cool. Jimmy and I got to tool around in this guy's big tuna boat of a car. I'm not even sure that either of us had a license, but Jimmy knew how to drive. It seemed that each day, there was something else that he needed, and he would give us the keys. Getting the drift? It wasn't until after "the project" was completed that I learned of John's colorful history, and Blaney, et al. Apparently, unbeknnownst to us, Jimmy and I were John's official car starters. All worked out well, but that could have been an explosive situation. Epilogue - one day a non-native of the corner scene or immediate neighborhood actually brought in some clothes to have cleaned. LOL. After the person left, there was considerable musing as to which garments could be given to whom. I suspect the "customer" never saw the clothes again. The shop was not there very long.
John Payne [11-20-2010]

Anon: I do remember Gillespie's bar being called Mulvey's. It wasn't until my late teens that I learned that it was called Gillespie's.
John Payne [11-20-2010]

It is with deep regret that I inform our readers of the passing of another fine peer and Germantowner--Madeline (Walsh) MacNew. Her dearest sister Carol, a contributor to this site, said Madeline lost her lifetime battle with diabetes on Nov 13th. Madeline grew up on Church Lane near Belfield Ave., a stone's throw away from John's Market, attended St Vincent's and CD high school. Back in the day, operating under full sails, she was a real tour de force, not unlike "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" of the old Titanic fame. Madeline did not leave small foot prints; she loved unconditionally, and I, in turn, loved her Germantown grit and spirit. Via con Dios, Madeline. Peace to her sister Carol, husband Jim and family.
Kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, CA. Adios old friend [11-20-2010]

Thanks to all who have shared memories of my brother,Kenny, who was killed when he was rear ended by a power company truck this past Flag Day. Your stories have helped me as I move through my grief. To think he was in the Baby Jesus reading group makes me smile. I wish I could tease him about this now. I have lots of memories of things I did with him - sledding at Logan Park, parties at the Stevens - he always allowed me to tag along as his little sister. There was the candy store across the street and the yo-yo competitions - half ball and being able to jump rope & hop-scotch in the middle of Wyneva Street - drug stores at each end of the street and small markets. It was a great place to grow up. When the snow reports were given, I thought we lived in the suburbs.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty [11-20-2010]

Dom Raffaele: It is always great to read a post from one of my favorite classmates from St. Francis[1955]. We had a good class and you even got along with some of the feisty ones. I liked your take on how The Goo got his nickname. I never recalled that you had a nickname but your brothers did. How did your oldest brother get the nickname-"Rocky"? I never heard anybody nuttng him including Goo and Bor. Rocky had a presence about him. There were many legendary people from The Hollow and it seemed you knew them all-some of them were your brothers. I always thought that Doctor Jack Flaherty was unique and he had some very intimidating friends. Around the corner from you was Ba-Ba Murphy and he was a trip- flash and cash when he won big at the track. He could have given you and me, some hot tips. John Berkery was famous after The Pottsville Heist. Bob LaValle was saying," Read The Daily News"-what a story about a Germantown guy. John Payne[Jr.] mentioned Ken Schenk-his shoes and the bakery. You knew him and so many other Hollow Guys- Ralph Gatto,Jim Razzano[your cousin], John McGeehan, Allen Goode, Al Paris,Bob Compton,Gerge Sharky and all The Hollow people who post on this site. You also knew Mike McGeehan who was John's uncle. Your brother Joe was in the bar when that terrible incident happened. The McGeehan Family were good people. Dom! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving and we have to get together-maybe with Bor if he is not on the ski-slopes or raking leaves.
Schmitty: [11-20-2010]

JBS > Yes, my son Josh did go to St. Petersburg to see the Hermitage when he was spending his semester in Russia. The tour cost him the equivalent of $8.00 dollars American. Amazing. He was very impressed with the Hermitage. The entire Russian experience was quite a bit for him to process. His observations and recollections were that the military machine, and places like Red Square and The Hermitage, were indeed first world icons, but at the same time, much of the rest of the country was really a third world experience. There was a lot of poverty; stores 80 t0 90 percent empty, and many other examples. Suffice it to say it is a very complex nation. He was staying with a Babushka (grandmother type) and her grown son. They were in a sterotypical Russian high rise, (long on concrete, short on aesthetics). He was on the seventh floor, but the elevator hadn't worked in years. He had to hike the seven floors every day. One of he really interesting events for him was attending the black market, which was in fact quite in the open, as one of our flea markets would be. Well, I better cut this post off here. I've drifted from the topic of Germantown quite a bit. One final tidbit, very funny, I think. Josh was over there when Glasnost was in vogue. People were able to try their hand in private enterprise. One day, Josh and a few fellow students went to try out a new restaurant/sandwich shop, only to find it was closed for lunch! There is so much to infer from that experience, one hardley knows where to begin.
John Payne [11-20-2010]

To Anonymous who write in Italian: Perche scrive in Italiano? Noi tutti parliamo Inglese. Non siamo esattamente idioti. Translation: Why do you write in Italian? Everyone here speaks English. We are not exactly dopes. What exactly is your point?
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-20-2010]

Anone interested in the reunion for June 1961 90th class of Germantown High School can contact me through this site.
Wilma, 67 Bucks Co. [11-19-2010]

Thanks to a reader of this blog, I now know the name of the man who 'found' my stepfather that cold December night in 1973 and called for help. He is either a 'Good Samaritan' or a murderer. Again, I am hoping someone out there spoke to him or heard secondhand his version of events. If so, please contact me and I will pass the information along to the Homicide Dept, which is looking into the case again. Many thanks.
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA'57, CA'61, Temple'73 [11-19-2010]

Re the murder of Mike McGeehan: in response to my request to the Police Commissioner, a detective has been assigned to review the case. If anyone has any information that could shed light on the crime or the perpetrator, please contact me and I will pass it on. The beating occurred on 11 Dec 73 and he died on 11 Jan 74. After 37 years, it's time Mike's killer were identified and brought to justice. Thank you all.
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA'57, CA'61, Temple'73 [11-19-2010]

likewise anonymous, Il messaggio che ho detto in inglese che le pietre troppi sono stati gettati non è mai stato capito così ho detto in italiano. Grazie per la tua opinione percettiva.
anonymous [11-19-2010]

I thought this is a special event for someone in need, think of it as a another Germantown Reunion for Celie Morris Bailey (See you at the Continental next week) On behalf of my mother-in-law, Celie Bailey, who was recently diagnosed with stage 2 lung cancer and pulmonary hypertension, we ­ her loving family and friends ­ are planning a benefit to assist with the rising cost of her medical expenses. Because of an aggressive treatment plan beginning in September, Celie will no longer be well enough to work full-time, as a result, will be unable to afford the tremendous expense of her treatment. All donations and contributions to benefit this wonderful woman are greatly appreciated. They will also be acknowledged in an advertisement booklet that will be distributed at the benefit. Sincerely, The Bailey Family Saturday, December 4, 2010 8:00 p.m. ­ 12:00 a.m. Donation: $30 Bridgemen’s Hall 11600 Norcom Road Philadelphia, PA 19154 Please make checks payable to: Cecelia Bailey Send any donations to: 1115 Brill Street Philadelphia, PA 19124 For questions on donation information: Kate Bailey 215.833.6965 Jimmy Bailey 215.651.0152 Email tierneykate@hotmail.com
Jim Coleman, Manheim Street [11-19-2010]

On behalf of my mother-in-law, Celie Bailey, who was recently diagnosed with stage 2 lung cancer and pulmonary hypertension, we ­ her loving family and friends ­ are planning a benefit to assist with the rising cost of her medical expenses. Because of an aggressive treatment plan beginning in September, Celie will no longer be well enough to work full-time, as a result, will be unable to afford the tremendous expense of her treatment. All donations and contributions to benefit this wonderful woman are greatly appreciated. They will also be acknowledged in an advertisement booklet that will be distributed at the benefit. Sincerely, The Bailey Family Saturday, December 4, 2010 8:00 p.m. ­ 12:00 a.m. Donation: $30 Bridgemen’s Hall 11600 Norcom Road Philadelphia, PA 19154 Please make checks payable to: Cecelia Bailey Send any donations to: 1115 Brill Street Philadelphia, PA 19124 For questions on donation information: Kate Bailey 215.833.6965 Jimmy Bailey 215.651.0152 Email tierneykate@hotmail.com
Jim [11-19-2010]

Was Gillespie's tavern also call Mulvey's ?
anonymous [11-19-2010]

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Ed in Chester. If Im not mistaken the sneakers you talk about were CHUCK TAYLORs. I threw away my brace so I could wear them. LOL And althoughthey were expensive at the time $9.95, they lasted longer on the outside courts. The tops would wear and rip befor the bottoms lost their tred. LOL THEN when they got worn down...I would cut off the toes and use them for clamming down at the shore each summer. I had a pair of Chuckie Taylors for over 20 years and refused to part with them. My girlfriend, who is very stylish, wears them now as a fashion statement. The only place I didn't wear them was to School at SFA, NC and Wagners ballroom to dance with Jerry Blavit.
Joe Graber, Yanno how to catch a unique woman? Unique up on her. [11-19-2010]

Jim Breen: When I worked for the City of Philadelphia, Common Pleas Court (1970's)there was a coworker named Anne Breen. I'm just wondering it Anne is a relative of yours.
John Payne [11-19-2010]

Christmas Trees!...I never engaged in the annual Christmas Tree selling ritual. Buying yes, selling no. I'm sure there must be a few great anecdotes out there regarding this annual cash generator. I do remember Goo having a loation, possibly in partnership with Joe Raff, but not sure of that; however, I don't have any real first hand stories of that entrepreneurial adventure. If you do, I'd love to hear (read) them.
John Payne [11-19-2010]

I have emailed the Phila Police Commissioner, enclosing the unanswered emails previously sent to the Homicide C.O., asking for his help in providing some information about the circumstances surrounding Mike McGeehan's murder in Dec'73. What is surprising to me is that, despite the experience with the 'Cold Case' TV program, I can find no indication that there is a cold case section in Phila PD, nor is there an ombudsman shown on their organization chart. Again, if anyone who reads this can help provide information or point me to someone who can, I'll be very grateful.
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA'57, CA'61, Temple'73 [11-19-2010]

John Payne: Many of your posts are rich with content and contain many of the people that I knew from Germantown and I would be remiss if I did not respond in some manner. I never read any of the poetry by Eugene Field but there was a connection between him and Maxfield Parrish who was one of the great illustrators and artists in America. Maxfield Parrish was the Norman Rockwell of his generation. Maxfield P. was born in Philadelphia and I have seen his works in many museums including The Met. Another great illustrator was W.C. Wyeth who was the father of Andrew Wyeth, a very famous painter from Chadds Ford, Pa. My father-in-law, Maestro Peter Kapschutschenko admired Andrew Wyeth, as did many Ukrainians and Russians. Your son, who studied in Russia, probaly knows this fact. I hope that your son saw The Hermitage in St. Petersburg which has one of the great art collections in the world. In St. Petersburg, there is an extraordinary equestrian momument to Peter the Great. John! You have interesting children, your boy is steeped in history, culture, and language and your daughter is connected to The Arts. I know that you and Cheryl must be very proud of them. Incidentally, was Cheryl in contact with Molly McKee over the years? I understand that Paul McKee passed away; he went to St. Francis and The Prep with me and hung out a little bit at Fern-Hill. I see that you remembered Frank Murphy who knew lots of people from Germantown. You had a brother Gene who probaly knew his brother Jack. John Berkery and Jack Murphy were friends. Did you ever go in Berkery's store on Wayne Ave near Sal's Steak-shop? You mentioned Frank Maher but I always thought Frank Murphy was good friends with Chris Maher who bought The Raffaele steak-shop. Dom Raff recently posted an explanation of the genesis of the nickname, Goo-Bob Guarinello. Dom and Chris Maher were in my class at St. Francis [1955] and they were good people. Goo also ran a steak-shop in later years. I also liked your post about Ken Schenk's shoes and I will have to stop on Veree Road in N.E. Philly at Schenk's bakery at that location. My family always went to Hassis's Bakery on Queen Lane since their cinnamon-buns were so delicious and decadent. Nothing today can compare with those old Germantown bakeries. John! Keep posting and may your Thanksgiving turkey be succulent, the wine be fine, and the desserts nearly as good as what we devoured in G-town. "May God Bless You and Your Family".
Schmitty [11-19-2010]

CMM: Have you thought about hiring a Private Investigator? Sometimes they can rub elbows with the proper people,for privied info, whereas you can NOT>...or even an Esq. could possibly help you out. I work for a Law Firm/ I will see if I can attain any information regarding how to go about this (for you). Most Respectfully, Linda "F." P>S> So sorry about your beloved step-father, he must have been one awesome human being. God Bless you for honoring his memory in such a loving way.I know you just want closure to this.
L.Fontana [11-19-2010]

CMM - Thanks for the clarification on the translation. Using the correct language on the Google translator will probably help.
John Payne [11-19-2010]

Bill> Thanks for the update on Schenk's Bakery. You are lucky to be near it. I am officially jealous, and droolng. (I knew the drooling was going to start sooner or later. LOL)
John Payne [11-19-2010]

John Payne raised an issue dear to my heart, although related to Germantown only because of a posting by 'Likewise Anonymous' to this venerable blog. You may recall that LA's posting of "Alcune persone non hanno alcun 'pietre'!", followed an earlier posting by another anonymous blogger who contributed "Le pietre che sono stati espressi qui sono sufficienti per costruire una fortezza", which means, in essence, 'enough stones have been thrown here to build a fortress'. I draw your attention to the word 'pietre' in both contributions. In Italian, 'pietre' means 'stones'. Now, how did I go from 'stones' to 'balls'? First, meaning comes from context, i.e., the circumstances or facts that surround a particular occurrence, event, etc., rather than from literal translation of a word. Secondly, the first level of meaning, in context, is the sentence, not the word. Given the setting in which the sentence appeared, it follows that "some people have no 'stones'" was a colloquial way of saying "some people have no balls". How 'stones' became 'piety' in John's translation may be because he was looking in the wrong language, i.e., Latin, instead of Italian, using a machine translation, which can always be relied upon to be unreliable. (He apparently found that 'pietre' means 'piety' in Latin, but from my knowledge of Latin (4 years at CA plus years of working with medical terminology), it's more likely that 'piety' is 'pietas/pietatis', rather than ending in 're'.) The unreliability of machine translation ensures there will always be a demand for human, professional translators like me, thank God. Having said all of this, it is, in the end, much ado about nothing. Why write to this blog in a language other than English? Maybe it's so that only a chosen few will understand, or maybe it's to impress. What message would you derive if I started posting in Indonesian? I'd be talking to myself, wouldn't I? So, hey, how about we all speak English here! Class dismissed!
Catherine Manning Muir, Professional Translator, Indonesian>English [11-19-2010]

Many of you knew my beloved step-father, Thomas R. (Mike) McGeehan, who bartended for many years at Gillespie's Tavern, on Wayne Ave., betw Seymour and Logan, which was sold to Frank Jacquinto sometime around 1970. After being held up at gunpoint several times, Mike decided to quit at the end of December 1973, but just before Christmas that year, he was brutally beaten about the head and died on Jan 11, 1974. The circumstances have always been shrouded in mystery and, to my knowledge, the perpetrator got away with the cowardly murder of the kindest, gentlest man who ever lived. I have tried to find out from the Phila Police Homicide Dept what they knew, but they have not responded to either of the two emails I sent requesting information, one in mid-September and another in mid-October of this year. (I got a 'read receipt', so I know they received the emails.) I realize that some details may not be able to be released, but I am profoundly disappointed that the Homicide Dept has simply ignored my request. Is there anyone who reads this blog who can advise me how to get a response from them or how I should go about elevating the request to the next level? The pain of his brutal death is a fresh for me as it was at the time, over 35 years ago, and I would like to know as much as possible about the circumstances. Many thanks in advance for any help that may be forthcoming.
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA'57, CA'61, Temple'73 [11-18-2010]

I've answered John Payne privately, but for anyone else who cares, the word 'pietre' in Italian means 'stones'. Literal translation of the contribution from 'Likwise Anonymous' is "Some people have no 'stones'." You get the drift? 'Piety', on the other hand, in Italian, is 'pieta', or several other variants. Like the difference between 'lightning' and the 'lighting bug', very similar in spelling but very different in meaning. However, it's not worth debating! Google Translate is a good tool and I recommend it to anyone who cares to explore this trivia further.
CMM [11-18-2010]

Excuse me, but who make little MEK the new content director? LOL!
SMD [11-18-2010]

Linda Fontana: I appreciate your words of kindness and I knew that you are too young to experience confabulation but I think that you mixed me up with the glib Bernie McKernan and the brilliant Dan Hartnett. With all the difficult times and the things happening in the world, I am a bit paranoid. For example, at The Luncheon in Hatboro, I was sitting at the end of the table with your friend Helen and Bernie, a guy was checking us out at the bar but your back was facing him. A blonde- lady was given a cigarette by him and at this point,he started scoping us out. If Kevin McKernan,an international guy had been there, he might have conjectured a contact or meet-up was taking place and this was some type of surveillance. I took a long way home and entered a cul-de- sac where I ascertained that I was not being trailed. I agree with Helen and Maryalice that the guy smoking the cigarette was in all probability,the anonymous observer at the luncheon. I know that Bernie McKernan takes umbrage with the comments from the anonymous poster but I hope that he makes the luncheon on Dec.12 which I will attend. I also hope that Paul Borian and Tom Cusack can make it- they are good-talkers like Bernie and Dan. After reading Helen and Maryalice's post, maybe I am not so paranoid.
JBS [11-18-2010]

To all who write on this site; there will always be negativity no matter what the topic. Please note that most of the negativity did not begin when you fellow-Germantown historians began writing to this blog. This site pops up when you are in search of some historic information about Germantown. Well, long story short, I have laughed at most of the blogs. I also think it’s great that you all are interested in the Internet (not to imply on age). I am from a much younger generation in Germantown history. We purchased our home in 1954 on the 6100 block of Baynton Street. Some of the things I remember about Germantown are: 1) Town Hall Municipal Services Building (Gtown Ave & Haines St.) 2) Rowell’s Department Store 3) J.C. Penny’s Department Store 4) Allen’s Department Store (and one across the street, can’t think of the name at the moment) 5) Sears & Roebucks 6) Franklin Simon’s 7) 2 Woolworth’s stores (formerly 5 & Dime) 8) Bernie’s Show Mart 9) John’s Bargains 10) Pick Well Grocery Store 11) Pantry Pride 12) Many fine dining restaurants (before fast food), like the Imholf’s. 13) Many “real” pharmacies before (CVS, Rite Aid, etc.) 14) Gino’s (Gtown Ave & Tulpehocken St.) 15) Fats (steaks and hoagies) 16) Mariotti’s (sp? Baynton & Herman Streets) 17) Branches (Baynton & Pastorous Streets) 18) Girard Bank (the very first MAC Card ever issued, now Mellon Bank) 19) The Reading Train (Chelten & Baynton ­ R7, now Chestnut Hill East) 20) The Pennsylvania Railroad (Chelten & Pulaski ­ R8, now Chestnut Hill West) 21) Orpheum and Band Box Theatre’s 22) Santa’s Claus on the fire truck going down Chelten Avenue to the Department Stores 23) Italian Water Ice & Pretzel’s back by Waterview playground. 24) Newspaper delivery (Bulletin) from Baynton Street and Herman Street locations. 25) Frank’s Pizza and Restaurant/Bar A note to Naomi Vitelli, I also knew some of the Jacquinto family. I knew Frank Jacquinto who owned many bars/restaurants in the Philadelphia area and one in particular on Germantown Avenue & Walnut Lane called Frank’s Pizza (with a bar and restaurant attached). I also knew his two daughters (Fran, and I forgot the other daughter’s name) who both attended Cardinal Dougherty High School. I actually purchased his mother’s old house on the 500 block of East Woodlawn Avenue (now called Woodlawn Street) in 1990 and made major renovations to it. Lived there for 18 years in addition to growing up in Germantown on Baynton Street. I was I believe the 3rd owner of that property. Another family lived there for 30 years before I purchased it. It certainly is a small world.
Clark, Philadelphia, PA (formerly a Germantowner) [11-17-2010]

Denise Duckworth: I went through 8 years at St. Francis of Assisi with your brother Kenny. In first grade we had Sister Rita Josephine who later became the principal. I was in your house lots of times when I was a little kid, and I remember your mother very well. Your brother was a very bright kid. When we walked through the door on the first day of 1st grade Sister Rita Josephine assigned us to reading groups. There were three groups, and they sat in specific parts of the classroom. Over on the dark side was The St. Joseph Group, mostly kids who were struggling learners. In the middle of the room was The Blessed Mothers, mostly kids wearing clean hand-me-downs. Over by the light of the sun shining through the windows to the girls' schoolyard The Infant Jesus Group resided. Your brother Kenny was a charter member of the Infant Jesus Group along with Joey Crowley, Ed Diviney, Tommy Cusack, Harry Mingle and a few others. I believe all of those guys have been in The Infant Jesus Group throughout their lives.
Jack Brogan, Winterin'-up in Maine [11-17-2010]

Helen Leone D'Angelo, I saw that man and I saw someone go up and talk to him. He said he was not with our group but he was there the whole time. I wondered about him then and now i was thinking the same as you. Was he anonymous?
Maryalice Armstrong Brennan [11-17-2010]

Was back in Germantown a month ago. Stop in Continental post. What a nice place. The young Gtowners made me feel welcome. I had a great time. Speaking of Music. The Music on their Juke box was best i ever heard(from Little Anthony to Franky lymon). Next time i am down i will difinitely stop in again.
Mike Santuri, living in NY [11-17-2010]

Show Posting from Jim McKernan

Attention JBS Lawrence Farrell, res. 7528 Valley Avenue, Phila. Pa. JBS give me a telephone call or e-mail and give his telephone number. BUD.
ORVILLE T. BALLARD [11-17-2010]

Dan: Alas! I think I fell victim to the John Payne Syndrone. I wrote the text of my last message first and do not remember adding my name to it before sending. Therefore, the message to you ending in “Bon appétit” was not from someone named anonymous but, in fact, was from,
Joe McCormick [11-17-2010]

To the anonymous poster who wanted to know if I was from Germantown, the answer is, "Yes". I was born and raised there. I don't want to be contentious in any way. Following this wonderful site for years, I've seen it progress. I just feel strongly that, if you want to talk about things or issues, unrelated to Germantown, don't do it here. As we all know, Germantown is a richly culturally neighborhood, and I personally am very thankful I grew up there. For instance, I enjoy the genius of John Bruce Schmidt; his memory is remarkable. I enjoy Bruce Marshall, John Payne and many other who comment and reflect on the good and the bad. I believe that they are capable of keeping in the spirit of the Germantown Historical websites chat. I enjoy reading and learning things I wasn't aware of, as a child. It just seems that there are some that just like to see themselves posted on the site, regardless of the topic. I point these postings out because I feel they don't belong here, or are offensive. There have been threats, which are baseless. So, lets talk about Germantown! Can anyone tell me the history of the building that is/was townhall on Germantown Avenue? And more about Vernon Park? And our libraries are second to none, architecturally. Anyone?
MEK [11-17-2010]

Show Disputatious Posting from Likewise Anonymous

Helen Leone D'Angelo: Yes, you jogged my memory. What an acute observation. The phantom or mystery person who I shall not give credit by name is a complete "Dork". Some people hide in the shadows of life for fear of being exposed in the light. Mold & mildew grow best in the damp darkness. Need I say more?........Thank you dear friend.
Bernie mc kernan, annapolis Md. [11-17-2010]

John Payne, Schenk's Family Bakery is still in business. They are located at 7951 Verree Rd. on the corner at Ripley. It's just south of Rhawn. I've been a Schenk's customer for over 60 years now. I can remember buying the buns hot from the oven on Saturday nights in the winter. The bakery was a daily stop before getting on the 53 trolley on the way to school. They have a website too. www.schenksfamilybakery.com Sometimes we're still able to grab a piece of the good old days.
Bill [11-17-2010]

Dan Hartnett: I meant nothing personal, my friend. You are a class act. Perhaps I responded a little too hastily and a little too forcefully to your blog of 11/08. Would you agree that some of the criticism directed at our anonymous correspondents has been, at least, somewhat harsh? At any rate, the points you make in your recent entry are well-taken and, indeed, reasonable. My wife and I are looking forward to dining with you and your charming wife sometime soon. Bon appétit.
Joe McCormick, Immaculate Grad 55' - Card Dougherty - 59' [11-17-2010]

CMM> I know you are a translator, and respect your skills, but I looked up the phrase you interpreted for us, and I got the meaning, "Some people have no piety". I used a Latin to English translator. Did I get that wrong, or were you being "tounge in cheek" in giving your definition?
John Payne [11-17-2010]

Rake,rake,rake the leaves as they merrily fall,how I yearn for the good old days when life was such a ball.....My thoughts go back to Wayne Ave. and Apsley St.,my home,where there were no trees,no leaves to rake,the mind was weak,but the back was strong.OH HAPPY DAYS!Praying for a big early snow storm to cover the rest of the leaves.LEAF PEEPING YES,LEAF RAKING NO.Happy Thanksgiving to all,from Paul.....Bor
Paul Borian, My raked leaf count has surpassed our national debt.I have an aching back and tired gullyones. [11-17-2010]

Lynne: Thanks for the referral to Frankie Lymon on the Frankie Lane show. Great video. It really brought back a lot of great memories.
John Payne [11-17-2010]

Dom Raff> That's an interesting bit of trivia regarding Goo's nickname, and where it came from. In all my years at HH I never heard that one. I always just assumed it was just a shortening of his last name, like Raff, for you, and Razz, for Joe Razzano. I'll have to file that one away in my memory bank; and I thought I'd heard every Gooism there was. Thanks for the update.
John Payne [11-17-2010]

Lynne: Thank you; yes the name of the store was indeed Lowell's and yes, it sold small appliances, radios, etc. My "portable" stereo was huge. It was as big as a large suitcase and twice as heavy. The speakers detached from the case, the turn table flipped down, and you could put a "45" adapter on the spindle, so it played records and albums. The sound was decent and it was pretty advanced for it's time. I loved going into that store especially at Christmas. I think stores like "Basco" and "Best" modeled itself after a store like Lowell's, only on a much larger scale. Thanks for the info.
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [11-17-2010]

Frank Murphy> When I saw the name Francis before, I wasn't sure if that was you. Good to see you here. Here's a memory for you Frank...Dredge Harbor with your cousin, Frank Maher, and the rest of the crowd, cooking corn on the beach that was, in your words, which became the catch phrase of the day, "too sweet to eat". We were very young people at that time. Hope all is well with you. It's been so many years since I've seen you. I heard about the tragedy with your sweet wife Cathy from Philomena. Cathy was a great friend, and a fine person. I cannot tell you how sad I was to hear of her passing. Frank, take care, and say hello to your brother Tommy (Joe) for me.
John Payne [11-17-2010]

Remember the Thanksgiving parade in Germantown.. Santa in Allens?? The stores all decorated for the holiday's.. Christmas trees at the the Penn Fruit on Chelten and Wanye.. Just a few holiday thoughts.
Erda (Armstrong) Graham, Lived on the Westside [11-17-2010]

I read something about sneakers on this blog. Growing up in Gtown I was stuck wearing the Thriftway brand sneakers, not sure maybe Keds or something. I always wanted a pair of high or low top "Chuck Conners" Converse sneaks. I finally saved enough for a black set of low tops which cost me $9.99. My status rose a little and wore them til they fell of my feet. Wonder what a pair cost today.
Ed, Chester, VA [11-17-2010]

to all you g towners who will be joining us on december 12th at la fantana's restaurant ... the restaurant has requested that we provide them with a head count at least two weeks before the actual date ... please.. those of you who are joining us let linda fantana know so she can give this information to the restaurant . we have asked them to reserve a room just for our get together and enjoyment to allow us some privacy during our time together . so please let us know as soon as you can if you are going to be there with us. we are hoping to see those of you who have joined us in the past and hope to see some new faces as well .... looking forward to seeing you and to hoepfully share in memories of x mas past ... rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-17-2010]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty: I send my belated condolence for the loss of your extraordinary brother,Kenneth J. Duckworth. Brother Ken was one year ahead of me at St. Francis and The Prep. He graduated from St. Francis with Tom Cusack[1954] who wrote some beautiful and laudable words about your giant of a brother. Jack Brogan who posts on this site, also graduated with Ken from St. Francis. Your husband grew up in Oreland where I caddied at Manufacturer's with Joe Gallagher who went to St. Francis with Ken. My family owned The Jarrettown Hotel which is near Oreland. Anthony Stevens, Joe Chalmers, and Herb Broehl from St. Francis went to the Prep with Ken. Tom Cusack is a dynamite dancer and Mrs. Stephens taught kids from St. Francis how to dance. Herb Broehl was a good soccer player and he used colorful language with his German accent. Ken was at The Naval Academy with other Preppers-John Uhland,Ron Klemick,Bernie Kelly and Jim Maxwell. John Fowler and I were friends with John Uhland[RIP]. John Fowler had a sister Ave who became a nun. You might have known Ava from Cecilia Academy. Ken knew Ron Klemick who was the starting quarterback for The Naval Academy until he was replaced by Roger Staubach-a pretty fair quarterback. Preppers really admired Ken since he was smart,honest, and had character. He was a brave and courageous pilot in Vietman and he taught at The Air-Force Academy. Later in life,he became a lawyer. It is surreal that he survived Vietnam but he died from a car accident. Your family also knew The McKee family from Seymour St. Ken knew Paul McKee and you probaly knew Molly Mckee who was in Cheryl Payne's class at St. Francis[1958]. Cheryl married John Payne who posts so beautifully on this site. John Payne and Kevin McKernan made me aware of confabulation but if my memory is holding up, The Duckwoths and The McKees had a business connection. Your families owned a factory on Wayne Ave.not far from The Hollow and The Borian Tailor Shop. Paul Borian also posts on this site. Like Tom Cusack, I hope Ocean City turns out well for you. My uncle owned a hotel at 6th&Central and I spent time in Ocean City-especially Somers Point. My friend,Ron Rubino was a bouncer at Tony Mart's and Ken knew him from The Prep where he was a huge lineman. Denise! Keep posting and"May Ken Rest In Eternal Peace".
John Bruce Schmitt [11-17-2010]

Tom Cusack: There was a girl in Cecilian Academy named Kathleen Cusack.Is she related to you? She would be around 62 yrs.old now..LAF
L.Fontana [11-17-2010]

Show Disputatious Posting from Also Anon:

Lynne: I'm with you ...so many nice stores in good old "G" town, back in the day....Lowell's was sure one of them. My parents shopped in that one a lot. Respectfully, Linda
L.Fontana [11-17-2010]

To one and all .... i wish you and your families a happy thanksgiving no matter where you live and what you eat and in what manner that you celebrate this holiday ... spend it in good health and surrounded by the people who mean the most to you ... rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-17-2010]

Dom Raff....Nice to see you back on this site.The "Boys of the Hollow"are in hibernation.Once upon a time,I asked Goo the origin of his nickname.As I recall(???),he uttered "Goo" while going for a stoll in a baby carriage.Maybe Goo was "nutting" me?...I sure do remember Hoot DeFeo.For a little guy,he would hit a softball a long distance.I never played softball because I thought it would mess up my swing in baseball.It was also taboo for baseball players,at that time,to lift weights because they might get muscle bound.My how times have changed!After my baseball career ended,I briefly tried my hand in softball.My first bat against a really fast thrower in the Northeast Fast Pitch league was a disaster.Never got my bat off my shoulder while blinking at three pitches at 100 miles per hour......Paul Borian
Paul Borian [11-17-2010]

To Bill Cupo,My Mom always went to Lowell's.My first watch & pearl ring for my 14th birthday.Even our wedding gifts,The had a clock with a little girl on swing,I always wanted it but not for.Thanks for that memory.Marie
anonymous [11-17-2010]

JBS> I made a mistake earlier. In a senior moment I mentioned that I did a play with my daughter doing readings from Eugene O'Neill. It was Eugene Field, and we did some readings and enactments of some of his poems.
John Payne [11-15-2010]

Bernie: there was a fellow sitting at the bar at our last luncheon observing our group. Remember when Bruce's friend went over and asked him for a cigarette and spent a few minutes talking to him? I think he may have been the anonymous onlooker.

bernie mc nicely put ... hope to see you at the g town luncheon on dec. 12th ... rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-15-2010]

Bill Cupo, I'm not sure if this is the place you were talking about but there was a jewelry store "up the avenue" called Lowell's. It also sold small appliances, radios, and all of the high tech electronics of the day (like the transistor radio). Between Lowell's, Rowell's, Allen's, and even Woolworth's, you could get gifts for the entire family without ever leaving Germantown Avenue. We also had so many little stores where you could get shoes, hats, candy, records, clothes, etc., get something to eat, and best of all, see almost everyone you know. Way more fun than a mall.
Lynne [11-15-2010]

Tammy, Gary, Tom and Lenny Donnelly: It was great to hear from you all. Thanks so much for your kind words. Gary, I guess I got the facts wrong about the details of your dad's war record; the wrong end of the plane and the wrong theater. But I did get the important parts right that he flew dangerous bomber missions and that he was a gunner. That makes him a hero in my eyes. I was recollecting stuff from forty some years ago. You guys raked up some real memories with your comments on Henry Rota, Dennis Sweeney and John McLaughlin. Henry idolized your Dad. I had some real funny stories and adventures with Dennis but I can't tell them on this blog. If you ever see an opportunity to get together, give me a holler. I live in Bucks County in Jamison and my email address is danhart6@gmail.com. Please give my best to your mom. She is a terrific person and blessed with a great sense of humor. I hope she is doing well. One of the stories I could tell is how the Proper Place closed. I was involved in some of the drama.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-15-2010]

Francis Murphy: One can bank on Frank,now that you are with Bank of America. Back in the day,we knew you as Frank when you were hanging on every corner west of Germantown Ave. John Payne was called Junior and Ed Burke was known as Ned. You and brother Jack knew Goony Walsh and he is now called Thomas. I do compliment you for getting it straight,the names of Jack Murphy[brother] and Ba-Ba Murphy[Thomas]. I always had problems with the names of the Murphys,Durkins,Henigans,and the D'Angelos-there were so many. Ba-Ba Murphy's real name was Tom and you had a brother by the name of Tom who had an interest in Irish causes if you know what I mean. Ba-Ba Murphy and Brother Jack had unique personalities. You knew Charlie Devlin who was one mean motor-scooter and Brother Jack had to deal with him and other bad dudes at The Shamrock-Gtn.&Venago. You knew every corner in G-town and Paul Borian talks about his great Hollow corner-Wayne&Logan. You spent some time at Gtn.&Erie-another great corner. You also hung at "M&A"-Marion&Ashmead,a hidden and interesting corner. My classmate,Rowland "Mole' Adomoli,also hung there. Mole was a piece of work and you and Joe Leone have great Mole-stories. You are friends with Dennis McCarthy,a Realtor, and I hope you bring him to the next reunion-Denny was good-people. My older brother was friends with Pat McCarthy who became a physician. Nobody knows what happened to your old friend,Larry Farell. Frank! Keep posting and see you at the next reunion and bring some of our old buddies.
JBS [11-15-2010]

I'm wondering by which of the objective criteria for vetting postings to this blog was Likewise Anonymous' posting "Alcune persone non hanno alcun "pietre"!, meaning "Some people have no balls!", deemed appropriate for publication on this Germantown blog. Looks like you can say whatever you like on this blog, so long as you don't do it in English!
CMM, Outback Oz [11-15-2010]

Bernie McKernan: Amen brother!
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-15-2010]

Joe McCormick: I don't recall having written anything mean spirited or venomous or for that matter, having been "gleefully" critical. Perhaps I should have been more clear in criticizing those who post anonymously in that I am referring only to those who do so with a certain nastiness or anger and do not wish to sign their name. I continue to think that is reasonable.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-15-2010]

for the happy hollow record.goo's nickname was given to him by elder hoot de feo.as a child goo's face was often cover with gooey bubble gum.i'm told that is the origin of the nickname goo.hello to bill and Betty lou obst,hope you guys are on the mend.Ive good memories of the whole obst family.bor.i know you remember hoot as a left handed softball slugger from the neighborhood games.i always miss the hollow and all the fun. dominic
dom raff, same [11-15-2010]

Meanwhile, back on the virtual street corner, steak shop, sock hop?, back lots, etc., I've been thinking about shoes: Flag flyers with the flip up front, and white bucks. I believe Kenny Schenk was the first who had the cajones to wear the white bucks at The Hollow. They later worked their way slowly, and sporatically into the acceptable attire category; but I remember Kenny taking some serious abuse at his debut. Flag flyers; well what can I say? Had a pair, thought they were cool at the time. They broke easily, and weren't any good for punting a football after school. (slow night at the keyboard - LOL). Hmmm, now that I think about it, Kenny's family owned the great bakery at Wayne and Clapier. Maybe they were blue suedes all along, and he just got them covered with flour while working after school. Hey, it could happen!
John Payne [11-15-2010]

Show "Query to Webmaster" Posting from mek

Who is MEK?? Did you live in Gtown?
anonymous [11-15-2010]

Catherine Manning Muir: I loved your menu suggestion for Thanksgiving-- still smiling over that "ruptured duck" description. Unlike some on this site, I've eaten, and greatly enjoyed, several of the delicacies you have planned. Who cares if you're having Turkey with all the trimmings in Germantown or crustaceans in Australia. The day is about giving thanks with the best food available. Do people think the pilgrims brought the American turkey over with them for the first Thanksgiving? Again, thinking about those poor turkeys you have down there, have you considered doing a "Turducken"? For those not familiar with this cuisine, it's a deboned chicken stuffed into a deboned duck (good use for those "ruptured ducks" Eh?), and then all of this is stuffed into a deboned turkey. It's a bit of work and resembles a marble cake, but it makes for an interesting center piece...and your diner's will not soon forget it. Whatever you and all do, Happy Thanksgiving!
kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, Calif. [11-14-2010]

There was a prig. Pretentious.
Who found my words quite licentious.
On the blog it was posted;
My good name was roasted,
and the prig was found contentious.

John Payne [11-14-2010]

John Burke, check your Facebook page. People are looking for you.
MEK [11-14-2010]

John Payne: I just have to add that your definition of confabulatory was not very confabulatory.
Joe McCormick, Immaculate Grad 55', CD Grad 59' [11-14-2010]

John Payne: Your definition of confabulatory on 11/10 was hilarious and extremely accurate.
Joe McCormick, Immaculate Grad 55' - Card Dougherty - 59' [11-14-2010]

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Bor[Paul Borian]: I always had the image of you as a baseball player and now I discover that you were a part of the rock&roll generation-Chuck Berry,Elvis and Little Richard. Being from The Prep,it might surprise you that I liked to rock,liked to roll and in the evening,I did the stroll. The night time is the right time,I heard The Raylettes[Ray Charles Singers]belt out at The Cadillac Club at Broad& Hunting Park. You knew about the night-life when you hung out at The Dunes[Somers Point] with The Night Owls. Tom Cusack, the dancing-machine and Goony Thomas Walsh,the very tough Irishman from Tioga also hung out there. Being reserved, that joint was way past my bedtime. I did spend some time at The Erie Social where I heard Frank Sinatra Jr. perform. You probaly liked Nancy Sinatra whose boots were meant for walking. I was surprised that you did not mention Chubby Checker who lived at Chew&Haines or The Killer-Jerry-Lee Lewis. Getting back to Germantown, John Payne mentioned Ba-Ba Murphy and only an old timer like you, could remember that flamboyant Irishman. If I recall,he had rep for being a heavy bettor on the ponies. Everyday on this site, I read old names from Germantown. Bor! Keep posting and snow is coming.
Schmitty [11-14-2010]

Bill, Sorry I don't recall the name of the jewelry store where mom & dad bought the record player. However, I do remember dad coming home one Christmas Eve ('55) with a mysterious package. On that Christmas morning, there was a VERY LARGE portable radio (Emerson) lying under the tree. I think the battery itself must have weighed 5 - 6 lbs. The casing was a very dark red plastic & I LOVED it! I think dad bought it "used" at some pawn shop; but it didn't matter, it was one of the best presents I ever received. I remember listening to Elvis singing & dad "rolling" his eyes & questioning if that were music or madness. Oh how times have changed or have they??? Thanks for the memories. Keep on posting. I enjoy your stories. Love ya!
Lorraine (Cupo) Kelly, fl; ic '55; cdhs '59 [11-14-2010]

Interesting website for history of street names, including many in Germantown: http://www.phillyhistory.org/HistoricStreets/ For example, early names of Manheim St. betw Gtn Ave and Wissahickon Ave were 'Bockius', 'Shinbone' and possibly 'Pickus'. Seymour St. betw Gtn Ave and Wakefield St was called 'Mehl' St. Not surprisingly, before 1931, Wyneva St. was 'Louden' St., running from Wayne to Stenton Aves, betw Logan & Abbotsford. Would be interesting to trace the origins of those early names (other than Loudon, which is obvious), and others. Much easier in the old days, when the maps in the main library and everything in the City Archives was openly available. Now it's all locked up and difficult to access. When I was doing my research on Chinatown, I could rummage around to see what I could find; now a researcher has to know what to ask for and has to pay to gain access. Anyway, the Historic Streets site is a great resource.
Cathy Manning Muir, SFA'57 CA'61 Temple'73 [11-14-2010]

JBS> Re:Eugene O'Neil, yes, I do like him. One of the productions I was in with my daughter was called "An Evening With Eugene O'Neil". It was a montage of some of O'Neil's writings, and poetry. As for the Rusky influence, my son had Russian when he was in high school, and took Russian as a minor later when he went to Penn. As a part of those studies, he went to Russia for a semester to become immersed in the language. However, I don't know that I got that word from him, unless it was by literary osmosis. As for the theater arts flirtation, I wasn't with the drama group under Mr. Loscalzo in high school, but David and FFK may have been. I'm not sure. I was in my late twenties or early thirties before I started to dabble in that field, and it only lasted about two or three years. It was a lot of fun, and a great way to challenge yourself.
John Payne [11-14-2010]

Anon: Just Google "Frankie Lymon Frankie Laine Show", and you can access it from there. Good luck with it this time.
Lynne [11-14-2010]

+To the Webmaster: The recent blog from John Payne concerning the meaning of the word confabulatory was completely anti-confabulatorious and defamatory in nature and should never have been allowed. I protest, in no uncertain terms, this affront on we confabulatorians. If this assault on the future of confabulatorianism continues, I will have no other choice than, to pursue a legal remedy. You anti-confabulatorians are being put on notice. You know who you are.
Appropriately Anonymous [11-14-2010]

Nicely played. Now, let's all get back to Germantown stories.

Bill Cupo I think that jewlery store was Lowells. Richie
Richard Pio, Ocala, Fl. area. 60, born an bred in G-town 1950-1995 [11-13-2010]

"The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning." - Mark Twain
John Brogan, Back then I I thought Al Tector talked funny. [11-13-2010]

Church Lane, go to church and tell them.
Deacon [11-13-2010]

L.A.F. > good to see you back.
John Payne [11-13-2010]

JBS: I would be remiss if I didn't respond to your last, richly anecdoted post. Of course I was being facetious about you doing the NYT puzzle in ink. However, I once saw President Clinton accomplish this on 60 minutes --to the envious chagrin of his Luddite detractors. Boy, would the new word police we now have on this site go crazy with his vocabulary. Whereas you once told someone: "Don't Bogart me," and I once saw a dude punched out at St Vincent's for hustling a quarter with this response: "What's the matter, boy, nickels out of style?" Pow! Which bring me to "The Word." When Dan Hartnett and I were replying to our mischievous historian, Joe McCormick, aka. "the pot stirrer", I think we were doing so in kind. Here in Calif. some of the gangbangers say "Don't confab me homeboy, " Which translates into: don't be laying any bunk history on me, dude. Drawing a false equivalency is bunk history. Joe, you were really pushing the envelope with that confabulation. Some folks didn't get the punking. I have to remember that Philadelphians are famous for booing even Santa Clause, some of whom may have been our critical readers. Mea culpa....A lot of Latin is being thrown around lately and I wish the authors would give a translation, Fr. McBride from CD was never impressed with my Latin skills. Paul Borian has thanked me for his new name designation: hooligan, claims he has been called worst--haven't we all? He can now join my brothers and I whom my dear mother (RIP) often called little hellions and hooligans...with a smile. Always with a smile. Paul, you be the man and can appreciate an occasional good pull on your chain...keeps you on your game down there in Lace-Curtainville, according to JB. You're in a good place; it's getting toxic here again with the usual suspects. I'll have to remember the old folk remedy: Feed a cold; starve a fever.
kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, Calif. [11-13-2010]

I feel so badly ....that the word "Anon" has upset so many people. Not everyone wishes to sign their name like we do....I guess not posting their names gives them more leeway to write their most profound opinions that would otherwise NOT be stated.Perhaps the mere threat of the repercussions that could possibly come from a negative comment about certain things, is why they choose to sign anonymously.This is just my own opinion, Very Respectfully, Linda
L.Fontana [11-13-2010]

Denise Duckworth Tumelty ... I remember you well ... Cecelian Acadamy grad as I recall ... I was good friends with your Brother Kenny .. through grade school at St. Francis (in Cub Scouts together, and he beat me and everyone else in the school spelling bee to compete at the big city-wide competition at St. Joe's) and through our high school years, even though Kenny went to St. Joe's and I went to LaSalle we still kept in touch .... then he went on to graduate from the Naval Academy and serve as a helicopter pilot in Viet Nam ... the last time I saw your brother was many years ago when he was in town for the Army Navy game .. and he was the same great guy ... I was saddened to hear of his recent passing and have many fond memories of him ... a friend of mine was down in Annapolis at a recent Navy football game and he said that Kenny's passing was announced and his accomplishments recognized at that game ... I hope all is well with you and your family and you are enjoying Ocean City.
Tom Cusack [11-13-2010]

To those bloggers that insist we talk only vanilla, ie: Germantown. May I remind you that in addition to vanilla there are many other flavors to be tasted & savored if one will allow themselves to venture beyond the parochial playgrounds of their youth. To coin an old lyric from the late Ricky Nelson's "Garden party": If memories are all i had, I'd rather drive a truck". Cheesesteaks, pizza, the Hollow & other venues that served our youth are fine but I left Germantown long ago & boy am I glad I did. Everything changes so must we if the mind is to be in concert with the body. I enjoy the posts past & present but I always treasure what people are doing now with their lives, how far they have come, what they have learned along the way & to share it with all the good bloggers on this site. What I don't want to see is the narrow view that the anon, harbor & spew insulting negative remarks. I look for information when I log on to the Germantown site. I do not wish to engage in a lot of bantering about who said what where etc. It is only when I have been attacked by name that draws my ire. So what if I go sailing, so what if I am enjoying life like everyone should. It was almost taken from me but I was returned to God's graces & I am more appreciative for it. That's me & how I tick. I have been quiet on this site the past month because frankly I am not sure I want to further engage with individuals who recklessly play with people's reputations with no thought to the consequences. A liar is someone who subscribes to the theory that a lie is as good as the truth if you can persuade enough people to believe it. I go no further than the last luncheon where either a coward was sitting among us & never identified themselves or they were lying when & I quote:" I was there & you were too busy strutting to see me". Sorry folks, I only strut nowadays to the "Philly string bands". Once upon a time I may have been easy on the eyes but those days are long ago & I thrive on good company & conversation to sustain me. Life for me today guides me by the serious not the frivolous. All the rest is a product of my youthful rearing in Germantown.........I need some down time from this site & I think a few others need do the same. There's enough cancer in the world to cure let's be part of the solution instead of adding to the problem. ......One final note & it's been said before. The McKernan family are four brothers linked by blood but individuals in their writing styles, & Ideologies. Please have the courtesy to not lump us all together like a litter of puppies.
Bernard f mc kernan, annapolis Md, 69yrs, retired & sailing [11-13-2010]

Webmaster: I know I probably forgot my name...just kidding with the paranoia. I figured it out. Sometimes I write my message, and haven't yet typed in my name, and then by the time I'm finished, I reflexively hit send. Thanks for your work on this site.
John Payne [11-13-2010]

Francis Murphy: You are correct of course. Now that you say it, Ba-Ba was Tom. I wansn't really sure of that, that's why I put that question mark. Thanks.
John Payne [11-13-2010]

Does anyone out there remember the Morris family? They lived above the Italian Club on GTN.AVE. Joe Morris & I were good friends--Lou Giorno
lou giorno, lou from burbs [11-13-2010]

Sure has gotten bizarre here, with all the insults, the threats of lawsuits, etc….. Who knew a Germantown blog could be such a lightning rod? Bill Cupo, nice post…. True, baseball is not what it used to be. Add free agency and Steinbrenner to the reasons why that isn’t so…. I also loved the 76ers back in the day. That love is long gone…. And the roller games, remember them at the old Arena? Talk about excitement, when you still believed it was all real…. And the disappointment when you found out it wasn’t…. Germantown question, who remembers the Germantown parade where Santa went into Allen’s window from a fire engine ladder? Was that parade on Thanksgiving Day, conflicting with the Gimbel’ s parade? What was the parade route and when did that parade end?
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [11-13-2010]

To anonymous who posted: 'Le pietre che sono stati espressi qui sono sufficienti per costruire una fortezza' (which, roughly translated, means 'enough stones have been thrown here to build a fortress'), how true!
Cathy Muir [11-13-2010]

Someone posted this anonymous message on 11/11: “Le pietre che sono stati espressi qui sono sufficienti per costruire una fortezza.” In response, I would say: Alcune persone non hanno alcun "pietre"!
Likewise Anonymous, Germantown and beyond [11-13-2010]

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I tripped on this site by accident - ggogled my own name. I do not recognize too many names. I did not go to SFA but Cathy Manning & I were friends at CA. My brother Kenny went to St. Francis and was friends with Tommy Cusack who is mentioned. We lived on Wyneva down near Green Street so we did not go to Happy Hollow (except me for Girl Scouts). My parents lived on Wyneva until the mid-eighties. I moved out in the '70's. Married my husband who grew up in Oreland in the 80's and lived in Glenside until this Spring when we moved to OC. By the way, the discussion about where the BAND BOX was - all are correct. it was officially on Armat St. on the east side of Gtn. Ave. but the street was called Maplewood on the west side of Gtn. Ave. Fun to read.
Denise Duckworth Tumelty, retired to Ocean City, NJ [11-11-2010]

Joe McCormick> Love the post regarding the Federalist Papers and the timeline of their writing. Cheap trick...introducing facts to the arguement. LOL
John Payne [11-11-2010]

Dan, I don't know what I started but Gary is here talking about Dennis Sweeney and John McGlaughlin snowed in at our house one Christmas Eve. And customers throwing change over the bar for the cleaning crew, Gary & Lenny. just a note from Gary Dad was a nose gunner in a B24 in the South Pacific, 38 missions.Gary says your information was ass backward on that one! Also He would love to hear from you, his e-mail is Gary@donnellyphotography.com anytime!
anonymous [11-11-2010]

Show Posting re: libel from Jim McKernan

Le pietre che sono stati espressi qui sono sufficienti per costruire una fortezza
anonymous [11-11-2010]

Joe McCormick.. Did you reside on Chelten Ave. across from the shrine? I had relatives up the street from a family of McCormick's. Dave Byrne
Dave Byrne [11-11-2010]

John Payne: "Confabulatory This", you are very funny.....LAF
L>A>F> [11-11-2010]

JBS: You are an amazing, articulate and brilliant man....so, it doesn't matter where you went to school. What does matter is how much knowledge someone can absorb and retain..You have used your mind to be productive in this life/ and also to pass on information of value to others. So, thanks for your input on this site, it is valued...Sincerely, L.Fontana
L.Fontana [11-11-2010]

Joe McCormick: You made a very valid point.(and, well stated,too.) L>A>F>
L.Fontana [11-11-2010]

Just pondering how many disputatious thoughts, (some of which were even rude and unpleasant), were denied oxygen in the old U.S.S.R.
John Payne [11-11-2010]

Joe McCormick: Had you been on the receiving end of the bullying by anonymous posters, as I was, you might not be so cavalier about their mean-spirited and venomous posts. Some of the best contributors to this blog aren't the most perfect spellers but who cares? This blog is not a competition; it's just a meeting place, like Happy Hollow. IMHO all contributors should mind their manners and, if they're unsure of spelling or grammar, they can use an online dictionary. The sign of an intelligent person is not that s/he says what's on her/his mind, but that s/he doesn't.
Catherine Manning Muir [11-11-2010]

Proud Veteran [11-11-2010]

To North Grad, Yes indeed, the club next to the cemetary was called the Sons of Italy. My Grandpop was a long standing member. I used to bang on the front door as a kid after school and they would let me in to visit him. He parked his 1957 Buick on the Avenue. Jim Breen. Fellow North Grad.
James F. Breen, 63 yr. old from East Seymour Street. [11-11-2010]

John Payne: As is custom with you,your last blog was interesting and showed your Thespian talent. Your focus was on acting and some of the actors that you knew-Dave Glancey and Frank Klock. The three of you were Directed and guided by David Loscalzo at North. David Loscalzo was my neighbor on Hansberry St. and a student of my Father,Urban Schmitt, at The Prep. Sister Grace would be pleased that the three of you are not only literate but interested in the theater. It must be an Irish thing. Like me, you probaly like Eugene O'Neil,the great Irish-American Playwright. I particularly liked "The Iceman Cometh", which was about characters in a saloon in the lower east-side of New York. In your last post,you used the noun,apparatchik, which is Russian origin. O'Neil was influenced by The Russian writer,Anton Chekhov, who was one of the great short-story writers in history. My father-in-law,Maestro Peter Kapschutschenko,was a stage-designer in Ukraine and enjoyed many of Chekhov's plays. I attended 2 Chekhov plays at The McCarter Theater in Princeton with my wife[Ludmila] who had a love for the theater like her father. These 2 plays were The Cherry Orchid and Uncle Vanya. I am fortunate to live near this great regional-theater. You probaly remember Dr. Joe D'Angelo who lived near The Hollow. Joe has been connected with the local theater in Ambler,Pa for many years. At St. Joe[college], Joe was friends with both Frank Klock and Dave Glancey who was heavily involved with acting-"Cape&Gown". Your sister-in-law,Moodie, dated Tony Bateman whose family were great actors. Jim Bateman[Henry Gibson] was Tony's brother. Henry Gibson performed on Laugh-in and was Judge Brown on Boston Legal. Tony was at the Prep when I went there and he graduated from St. Vincent's with debonair Bernie McKernan. Dave Glancey was not only involved with acting but was involved with politics. He ran for congress and was supported by Bill Green,the mayor, but was not supported by the unions such as the glazier-union. At the time, I was friends with Jim Williams who was the president of the glazier- union and he was not in Dave's camp. Jim Williams had gone to North[1968] like Dave and his philosophy was not congruous with Dave and Mayor Green. Incidentally, Bill Green married a St. Francis Lady, Pat Kirk,who was my classmate and played basketball with your wonderful sister-Sally. Your classmate Jack McHugh had a brother Joe who was the altar-boy at The Mass at St. Francis. You went to St. Francis with Sheila Kirk who was Pat's sister. John! You are an eclectic guy and I hope that you and Cheryl can enjoy the theater in sunny Florida.
JBS[Brutus] [11-11-2010]

Ba Ba Murphy I believe was actually Tommy Murphy from Tacoma St not Jack Murphy that is my brother.
francis murphy, st francis 1956 [11-11-2010]

Thank you Joe McCormick. I am quite confident in expressing myself publicly, my reason for staying undercover is the threats and beratings that go on by others on this site. It's very sad that a certain family needs to pontificate on this site as if they have no one else to listen to them. I just want to read about Germantown! Just as I don't want to read about sailing the Chesapeake, I really don't care about Moreton Bay bugs being eaten in Australia. It almost seems as if certain things are said just to impress. Guess what? Moe stories impress me; Sal's Steak stories impress me; Allans and Rowell's stories impress me. Germantown was such a wonderful place to grow up. Where else would such great libraries be everywhere? And the historical buildings, and the churches... Let's just stay focused on one thing --talking about Germantown. I would do that myself more openly, but there have been too many threats on this site for my liking.
MEK [11-11-2010]

i apologize for not reading down a little ferther thank u guys john payne,lou giorno & joe melchione for your info about the clubs buddy curran
buddy curran [11-11-2010]

thank u north grad about the clubs buddy curran nc1960
buddy curran [11-11-2010]

MEK: that was also me with the disputing of disputatiousness blog. Got your reply. As with some other of my posts, I don't know why they sometimes come up as anon. Gee, if I were a paranoid guy....hmmmmm.
John Payne [11-11-2010]

When the "Your Name" field is left empty, the software automatically assigns "Anonymous" as the writer's name. Be sure to fill in the "Your Name" field to avoid this problem.

Buddy Curran, Joe D.: the anon about the Durkins was from me. I don't know why this comes up as anon sometimes. Anyway, that's another update on some of the Germantown Durkins.
John Payne [11-11-2010]

Dan Hartnett, Wow hard to believe that my sister googled the Proper Place and ended up finding you. I drive up from ocean city every week to see my mom in Ardsley and once in a while I go by the old neighborhood and when I come up Haynes St. I remember that you lived right off of it, in fact I went there to buy your Johnson lawnmower to start my first business. What really sticks out in my mind was Christmas eve at my house with you Henry and Dennis Sweeney to name a few even thought the PP was closed on that night it seems like everyone showed up on Homer st that night. It would be nice if we could get together with Gary Tommy and of coarse Tammy who had the great idea to research the Proper Place. My mom says hello also she has nothing but fond memories of you. Thanks for all of the nice things that you had to say about my dad he was a great guy. Lenny lendon1910@veizon.net
Lenny Donnelly, Ocean City [11-11-2010]

More on Anon entries: There are three here that are labeled anon, that I wrote. Why they are posting as anon is unknown to me. I fill in the blanks the same way every time. The vagaries of our technological age?
John Payne [11-11-2010]

Show Posting from anon
Show Disputatious Posting from s.m.d.

Jim, Not sure your question:my address is Regina Sprissler. So try again...would love to hear from you. James F.Breen
Regina Sprissler, ex-IBM Sales [11-11-2010]

Paul Borian ! You are right about being a real baseball fan; I'm very passionate about the game. Before expansion in the late 60's, every team had at least one hall of fame player on their roster, even teams that didn't contend from year to year. The Cubs had Ernie Banks, the Braves had Matthews, Aaron, and Spahn, Giants had Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Reds had Robinson, even the Phillies had Roberts and Ashburn. Now, AAA players fill the rosters of Major League teams just because of the shear numbers. There was a romantic quality about the game in the 50's and 60's that just doesn't exist anymore. I think that has to do with the way we watched and listened to the games back then. Most games were televised only on Sunday as I recall and you had to listen to the radio if you wanted to enjoy a baseball game during the week. I still enjoy listening to a ballgame on my car radio whenever I get a chance. As far as music is concerned, 50's music was already being played as "oldies" on WIBG. I did enjoy listening to Bobby Rydell, Little Richard, The Flamingo's, etc, and still do. I think we all believe that "our" music was the best. Thankfully, electronic advances in our society enable me to enjoy every genre' I want to listen to in a very compact form and in crystal clear clarity. The I-pod, I believe, is the best invention in the last 20 years and it has enabled me to bring my music to the beach, the train ride, etc., without bothering anyone or lugging a big music box with me. I would never have imagined anything like that growing up; I had a big old clunky portable stereo that only played LP's and 45's and it was very advanced for it's time. My parents bought it for me for Christmas in 1964 at a jewelery story on Germantown Ave. who's name I can't remember. It was on the same side of Germantown Ave as Rowell's dept.store and they sold not only jewelry but electronic equipment. I know someone will remember the name; they were pretty famous and their prices were low. Anyway, take care and I know the Phillies will be back in contention next year.
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [11-11-2010]

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