Dan Hartnett: It is not so much that I wished to confer respect for those who blog anonymously as much as it was a plea for tolerance for those who may not have the confidence in their ability to express themselves publicly, in writing, as clearly as you do. My intention was not to compare different kinds of fruit but to make a distinction concerning the different personalities of God’s children. In my estimation, the criticism so gleefully heaped on these anonymous writers has been much more mean-spirited and venomous than anything they have written. Qui sine peccato est, primam lapidem mittat!
Joe McCormick, ic - 55, cd - 59 [11-10-2010]
Kevin McKernan; Wow! I have not yet looked up the meaning of confabulatory but your point is most clear and not, I admit, unfounded. I must confess to an inclination to “stir up the pot” sometimes. However, it should be noted that the Federalist Papers were written after we had won our independence from England and had chased the “Royalist mobs” up to Canada where their descendants still reside. They were building a new nation and these men were very well known - liked by some and despised by others. In writing anonymously about their views concerning the new Constitution they were simply trying to obtain a fair reading and not prejudice those who may not have liked them personally.
Joe McCormick, ic- 55, cd 59 [11-10-2010]
Dan, Thanks for writing about my Dad. My brothers have nothing but nice things to say about you. Sorry I don't remember you but, maybe i gave you a math test once or twice I'd sit at a booth grade them and give them back to customers at the bar. Well thank you again, Tammy
Tammy Sawyer [11-10-2010]
Bill Cupo..Enjoyed reading your post about the music we continue to enjoy from years past.I have about 12 years on you,so my time was in the 50's.My guys were Fats Domono,Little Richard,Chuck Berry(making merry),and of course The King.Rock and Roll at its best!I know that you are a real baseball fan.Baseball in the 50's was as good as it gets.I have so many great memories of players and major league teams who played the game as originally intended.Baseball was truely the National Pastime in the 50's.....Paul Borian
Paul Borian, One Man's Opinion [11-10-2010]
I believe the club at Logan and Kaiser was The Oakie Club. The club on Gtn ave next to the cemetery was The Sons of Italy.
North Grad [11-10-2010]
I grew up in Germantown & am looking For girls who Graduated from Little Flower class of 1968
julie smith euker [11-10-2010]
CMM: Glad that 'change' was able to be put into effect..thanks to your insistence. At least the voice of reason was heard. Thanks, L. A. F.
Those of you bemoaning the various "Anonymous" contributors to this site are forgetting the threat of lawsuits by the Prof and others. Maybe our lives weren't threatened (as was the patriots in the Revolutionary War), but our finances were.
Anonymous Also [11-10-2010]
" MEK > I don't know if you will find this funny, but I did; you are disputing the webmaster's judgement of disputatious(ness). C'mon. Now that's funny. anonymous [11-08-2010]" Thank you anonymous! It was meant to be. My point was why are some very rude, very obnoxious, very distasteful comments allowed to remain and others are considered disputatious? My above comment was indeed disputatious, but wasn't labeled as such. So, it leads me to believe that whoever determines what is labeled and what isn't, is subjective. Just saying...
Regina S. Your email address is kicking out on my gmail when I send something. Is it correct?> Jim Breen.
James F. Breen, 62 Yr. old, lived on East Seymour St. [11-10-2010]
To One and All who would like to attend the LaFontana Luncheon in December, please let us know for sure by the end of Nov. if you can make it. This is a sunday on 12-12-10 at 1:00. I feel badly that former "G"towner's (as I affectionatly refer to them), who live out of this state or out of this Country will not be in attendance. All are "ALWAYS" welcome,to come and make merry with us. Rosemarie hite-Malageri and myself ate there this past weekend/ and to our delight were able to reserve a room with a head count of at least thirty. So, thanks for your quick response to this request, if possible. Most Respectfully, Linda "F".(P>S> look in your closets and try to find something white, red or green to wear..I think this will be very festive.
North Grad: Many of the literate and the articulate types who post on this site went to that great Catholic Institution-North Catholic. I went to school in North Philly and I was unaccustomed to words like confabulating but now I"m rounding 3rd base and heading home,I have discovered that confabulation is a product of my generation. I can remember 50 years ago but I do not what time it is. If you think confabulation is diifficult to uderstand, The Hollow guys would use words like nutting when they could have used colloquial words like ballbusting. New Yorkers were always hard to understand-Brooklyn dudes with their crazy accents and the pompous Brahmins from The Upper East-Side. I hope Kevin McKernan and Dan Hartnett do not take umbrage with your comments since I am sure that they both read the New Yorker. Personally, I always liked the Racing-Form. Mr. Falcon! Knobby Walsh would have loved your comments.
John Bruce Schmitt [11-10-2010]
To Anon--The club that was on Gtn.Ave.next to Hood Cemetary was an Italian private club-I believe it was called The 20th of Sept Lodge. Lou Giorno.
lou giorno, lou from burbs [11-10-2010]
Buddy Curran and Joe D> Re: Eddie Durkin: I also remeber him being referred to as "Little Eddie Durkin" and "Young Eddie Durkin" to differentiate him from the other Eddie Durkin who lived on either Pulaski Ave. or Fern Hill Rd. That Eddie Durkin was the older brother of Charlie Durkin...and that leads to the story of the time when Charlie played hookey to take advantage of the first day of fishing season, but got caught when he wound up with his picture in the paper holding up a the first fish of the season. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised he didn't wind up with the nickname "fish" or "hook".
The name of the club across from the garage & almost next to Superior Bakery was the Oaks Club.
Joe Melchiorre, Phoenixville,PA [11-10-2010]
Regina Sprissler> Enjoyed your post. To answer your questions about nicknames, I can fill in some, and will leave the rest to others: The name Goo is just a shortening of his real sur name which was Guarinello, and the same would be true for Bor, whose sur name is Borian. As for me; let me know if you find out. I was called Junior during my adolescent years, however, my first name is John, and my dad's first name was Howard, (ergo he had a nickname of Howie), which Joe DiPasquale later dubbed me when he found out my middle name was Howard. I suspect Junior came from being the last in a large family. As for others, such at Trout (RIP) for Jimmy Raffeal, or Shangie for Joe Raffeal, or Baa-Baa for Jack? Murphy, Monk for Ed McCauley, and also Monk for Jimmy Kehan, I have no idea.
Lynne > Thanks for the utube/Frankie Lymon referral. I tried to find it, but it appeared that utube wanted me to join something to see it. I'm probably doing something wrong in trying to find it.
North Grad> I didn't know the word confabulatory either, so I looked it up. It means to "chat", and "to fill in gaps in the memory with ficticious or invented facts". So then I went to the Germantown-Happy Hollow thesaurus and found that it is a synonym for bulls***.
John Payne [11-10-2010]
Anon> I think the name of that club next to Superior Bakery was the Oak Club, but I'm not 100% sure.
John Payne [11-10-2010]
Now that 'disputatious' contributions are being denied oxygen, the Germantown blog is much more civil and focused on its purpose, i.e., sharing memories and notifications of events related to Germantown. Special thanks to Bernie and Jim McKernan, and to the Board of the Independence Hall Association, the owner of the blog, for supporting my demands for change. Now if all anonymous contributions were to suffer the same fate ... BTW, the CA Class of '61 is having a reunion in 2011. I'm seeking email addresses of members of my class, to pass on to the organizers (mainly Denise and Elisa). 'Jersey Boys' has been showing here in Oz as well, to sellout crowds. I'm too far from anywhere to get to the show, but have enjoyed the reports from Gtn'ers who have seen it. I wouldn't have liked the liberal spraying of 4 letter words; I worked in a Dept. of Defence organization here where I was subjected to that 12 hours a day, had the effect of slow torture. Also BTW, this is the first year since I arrived in Australia (1989) that I'm not doing Thanksgiving dinner. Turkeys here are too scrawny, can't get one over 10 lbs., and they look like ruptured ducks by the time they're roasted. Plus it's usually 33 degrees C. (that's about 90 degrees F.) on the day, too hot to bother. Will do cold seafood instead: beautiful Coffin Bay oysters, yabbies, prawns, crab, Moreton Bay bugs (look it up on Google if you're curious)... Fantastic!
Catherine Manning Muir, SFA '57, CA '61, Temple '73, Outback Oz [11-09-2010]
what was the name of the club next to bakery at logan and kaiser on logan across from the phila water dept garage
Uncle Earl's Classic TV Channel GO ONTO THIS SITE YOU WONT BE DISAPPOINTED a lot OF THE MOVIES WE WATCHED AS KIDS
rich, Huntingdon valley [11-09-2010]
Bill Cupo, For the oldies of Frank Sinatra, Perry Como, Nate King Cole, Peggy Lee, Patty Page, Dinah Shore, etc go to WHAT 1340 AM if you are in teh Philadelphia area. They do mix in Elvis, Ray Charles, The Mama's and The Papas, and others but it is an interesting mix of the oldies.
Maryalice Armstrong Brennan, Still in G'town [11-09-2010]
how many american stores was on wayne ave from wayne junction to wayne and chelton at one time[name the corners]
Can anyone explain what the word "confabulatory" means ? Give me a break ! Is this a Germantown site or the New Yorker magazine ?
North Grad [11-09-2010]
what was the name of the club on germantown ave next to the cenetry at logan and germantown ave
Buddy Curran:Sure do,the Durkin family lived across the street nice people. Good to see you on the sight.
Joe DiPasquale [11-09-2010]
Anon, what a great memory of hits or cracks, but by using anon or a handle one becomes a target. You probably will be chastised by the drive-bys that will diminish your contribution or given a left-handed compliment and then back-stabbed with the other as Mccormic, Mek and Payne have been. If you make a typo or are viewed in any way as non conforming or a part of their mob you will be attacked. They have attacked the Webmaster and others threatening to close down the site if they dont do their bidding. Their rudeness goes beyond offensive and should never be tolerated, it never ever was where I grew up.
Ed Burke Jr.- It is great to see one of The Burke Brothers from Hansberry St. posting again. I am looking forward to seeing you and Big John[brother] at the next St.Francis reunion. Ed[Ned]! You never hung at The Hollow and I remember you spending sometime at The Armory where we ran a little b-ball but in your last post,you were nutting me when you intimated that I engaged in verbosity. You were on the H-bus when I told those 2 dudes from Boone[reform school] not to Bogart Me Homeboy-this was succint language. Back in the day,your Cousin Joe Murray,a very articulate kid, would rant on about St. Augustine and Aquinas when I wanted to talk about baseball. I also can assure you when I talked to your father[Ed.Sr.] at The Continental that I did the listening and I was not drinking roootbeer[for emphasis]. At Wildflowers, John Murray[cousin] was articulating heavy psychological theories and Brother John was showing his Irish personality if you know what I mean. However,I do get your point when I respond to the folks on this site who can be profound,provocative,informative and at the same time,using language which is nuanced and philosophical and psychologgical. Names like The McKernan Brothers,Paul Borian,Dan Hartnett,John Payne,Jack McHugh come to mind. Recently, Kevin McKernan,A East Germantown Ballbuster, was trying to nut A Hollow Nutter[Paul Borian] by intimating that Bor was a"Hooligan". I knew and observed many Hooligans and Bor is no Hooligan. I made my case but I tried to be devoid of tautology and redundacy and avoid pleonastic language. These aforementioned words are pithy and help to curtail long sentences. Ned! You and I are more reserved than members of our families who are glib. Personally,I like to get down to the real"Nitty Gritty".
Dan, Apples and Oranges, they're all fruit.
Germantown Horse & Wagon Huckster [11-09-2010]
Well, I thought I should have a stab down memory lane. First of all, I can never forget the excellent education the nuns gave us. And we were very fortunate to have some of the best of the bunch in SFA. My first sister was Sister St.Ignatious who, my mother told me, had a PhD in education. Apart from that, all I can recall was her opening introduction to hereself: "Oh my goodness gracious, it's Sister St Ignatius!" Well....I never forgot that. I joined others from the "Baby Boom". There were 3 separate teachers: Sr Clair Elenour and I was one of her class. And she was a very classie lady that I was sure she was from the Main Line or Chestnut Hill. Then, there were Sister Grace Winifred, who reminded me of another Grace Kelly. Sr Grace would always hide behing the stairs going down to catch us if we taking. Can you believe that! We could't speak until we were on the corner before branching off at Hood Cemetery. That's where one of the boys would grab my benie and throw it, when I had to get one of the other boys to climb in and fetch it for me. And then there is the unfortunate Sister Agnes Dorothy who was named "Aggey Baggy". Oh, we were so witty! I would love to see Germantown and "the avenue" but I'm sure I would weep. Finally, before I sign off for today, can someone tell me where Goo at al got their amusing names. Geing from Stenton Ave, and very close to the end of the parish, all I can say is....huh? That's all for now. Next time, if it's OK, I'd like to touch on The Historic Mile in Edinburgh, the New Town, ditto, and Woodstock. Oh, forgot: does anyone know how many fellow students were situated in the three Sisters' classes? All I can remember is sitting with my hands clamped together and giving no lip to dear Sisters. Cheers from Bonnie Scotland.
Regina Sprissler, left SFA in 1963 [11-09-2010]
John Payne, Check out the U-Tube video of Frankie Lymon singing live on the Frankie Laine Show in 1956. Just pure, clear, non lip-syncing harmony that was common in the 50's and 60's.
Joe McCormick: You wrote in recently in defense of those who post on this site as anonymous. You used a variety of examples of our founding fathers, in particular, Sam Adams, writing anonymously waging the pursuit of liberty. The circumstances that the founding fathers faced as revolutionaries were certain death if discovered. Moreover, their cause was noble and ultimately bore fruit. Consider that Sam Adams was a leader in the Sons of Liberty who, among other things, engaged in tarring and feathering their adversaries(not as preferable as waterboarding)which illustrates the intensity of the conflict; the times that "try men's souls". Truly these were brave and noble people. The posters here on this blog who criticize others anonymously lack the guts to show their faces. They don't face threats. At worst they will get a tongue lashing from Dennis McGlinchey, JBS, Paul Borian, Linda Fontana or a McKernan or two and others. You are comparing apples to oranges. You confer on them undeserved respect when they should be ignored. "Libera nos a malo"!
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-08-2010]
MEK > I don't know if you will find this funny, but I did; you are disputing the webmaster's judgement of disputatious(ness). C'mon. Now that's funny.
Joe Mc Cormick: Thank you for providing a little historical perspective in your post of Nov. 1 st. However, I do feel you are being a mite confabulatory in equating anonymous bloggers to this site (unnecessary invective), with the anonymous Founding Fathers, authors of the Federalist Papers (necessary). Why? Because our revolutionary authors would have been hanged by the English as traitors, challenged to a duel by their distractors or beaten by Royalist mobs if their identity had been made known. It was all about self-preservation, sir. What we have here are the cowardly taunts from a few discontents whose life is not in jeopardy, and who, I think you may concur, are today's version of that period's "poison-pen pamphleteers." One group was useful for the formation of a Nation; the other was an obnoxious annoyance. Somethings just don't change.
kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, CA., St Vincent's '58, CD '62 [11-08-2010]
Hey Dan, read your post about the Jersey Boys. I was taken to see it as a birthday gift. I loved it, also, and like you did not like the constant use of the four letter word. Growing up in Germantown we never used it around the ladies. I still don't like to use it.
does anybody remember playing hit or crack it was on a pack of camel cigaretts u pulled the blue seal and it had h-1 or c-1 if u guessed the wrong 1 the other guy eather hit u which was a punch or crack which was a slap
joe di pasquile do u remember eddie durkin & the grey family they also lived on clapier st buddy curran 259 clapier sr
buddy curran [11-08-2010]
Webmaster, it's great to have a choice to read comments via the disputation posts. This should help to restore some calm and dignity to this site. It's too bad that this wasn't enacted a long time ago. Good job!
Schmitty, or JBS > Thanks for the update on David Glancey. I did not know that Dave ran for congress. During most of the adult years that I interacted with Dave, he was a Democrat Party Apperatchik, supporting the main players such as Bill Green. and the other big D's of that era. He was more of the main player when he dabbled with the life "on the boards" at the Society Hill Playhouse. I never did that playhouse, but did appear at the player's club in Swarthmore, along with fellow thespian, FFK, and under the encouragement and direction of Jim Clare. In addition, I also shared my talents with audiences at the Barnstormers Theater in Ridley Park. As with David, this activity remained an avocation for a period of time, but we both managed to elude the keen eye of the New York scouts.
John Payne [11-08-2010]
Hello all ! My wife and I saw Jersey Boys a couple of years ago on Broadway and it was just sensational. We had taken a bus trip from Chalfont up to the "Big Apple" to see the show that had just won the "Tony" for the best musical show and it didn't disappoint us. We were on our feet applauding at the end of the show and it left us wanting to hear more. I was in the 4th grade at Immaculate when "Sherry" came out. The sound was so unique and the harmony was great. I remember standing on the corner of Sprague and Price st with Jimmy Bonassisi, trying to hit those notes that Frankie Valli was singing and thinking how hard it must be on his vocal chords. They came out with one hit after another and then they released their "Gold Vault of Hits" album, volume 1. I still have it on vinyl. Anyway, my wife and I will be going on the 12th of December to see the final show in Philly to celebrate our 20th wedding anniversary. Whenever we get in the car, she likes to put in the CD of the show which I highly recommend. The sound track is just fantastic and it includes the original cast. Music was pretty simple back then; usually songs had a girl's first name for a title or the song dealt with a simple romance or a break-up. Then the Beach Boys entered the picture and surfing was the wave, pardon the pun. Then Motown started to catch on and everybody was dancing to the Temptations or the Four Tops at Wagner's ballroom at Broad and Olney. When the Beatles came on the scene, I think music went into a whole new realm. I liked the early Beatles but I could never get into their later compilations. I like to think that at my age, approaching 60, my musical tastes have evolved into a pretty good mix of music. I find myself listening to an "oldies" station once in a while but then relying on the traditional standards of Sinatra, Bennett, Dean Martin, etc for musical enjoyment. Those recordings have lasted through the generations and now people like Rod Stewart, Barry Manilow, and Linda Ronstandt have recorded many albums that include our great standards. I do think, however, that the music I grew up with, like the Four Seasons, keeps me in a young frame of mind. It takes me back to a simpler time in my life, when everyone had more time for each other. No computers, no video games, no rush to get through a day. Oh well, times change and we all adapt or we get rolled over, but I still have my music; of course it now all fits on my I-Pod. Take care everyone!
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [11-08-2010]
Kevin McKernan: Your last post was excellent-engaging,didactic,scintillating,intrusive,expansive and your pithy language and poignant and incisive vocabulary really resonated with me. I know that you were being facetious when you said that I could do the NY Times crossword-Puzzle in ink. Only you and Frank Klock,The Hollow Poet, and members of Mensa could master that Fait Accompli. I still have Paul Borian nutting me about The Prep and my pedantic vocabulary. You and I learned a Hollow word from him-"Nutting". I do approve of the words that you used to describe "Bor"-Mr. Hollow and The Hollow Nutter". Bobby Goo Guarinello was Mr. Hollow and Goo was Bor's mentor. On this site,we now have Mr. Hollow Sr.[Bor]and Mr. Hollow Jr.[John Payne]. Back in the day, John Payne was called Junior and Frank Payne was The Cisco Kid. In all due respect, Bor was never a real hooligan. Bor is correct in that much of my vocabulary emanated from various venues and paths that I crossed. I was friendly with a feisty Irishman by the name of Charlie Rankin who was a former Irish Professional-Soccer Player and amateur boxer. His cousin was Don Rankin who played football[quarterback] for North when Brother Bernie went there. I learned this word from Charlie when he described the hooligans at soccer games in Ireland. There were Argentinian-hooligans at the soccer games in Buenos Aires and consequently I went to the beautiful race-track in San Isidro,a most beautiful neighborhood. Charlie did not like Hooligans and at various venues,he would inform these young lads to desist from their profanity-"lad I Have A Picture of My Mother In My Wallet". Charlie was very talented-carpentry,soccer and boxing. Kevin! I know that you get my drift what a quintessential hooligan is. I do use 25-cent words with you since you have a penchant for language. Ed Burke Jr. thinks that I get off with expansive vocabulary. I knew Ed BurkeSr.,one tough Irishman, and he knew many hooligans from his youth at K&A. The toughest Hooligan was Charlie Devlin but he did not die of natural causes and he was found under the bridge at 2d&Luzerne. Hooligans did not hang out at Wayne&Logan[The Hollow]. Today, Mr. Hollow[Bor]spends his summers at The Irish Riviera[Sea Isle]where The Lace-Curtain Irish congregate-no Hooligans or shanty Irish allowed.
Joe D > Thanks for the Joe Bonge update. I remember the name, and knew it was a ficticious name, but I forgot the Frank Klock connection. Strange days, but at the time it all seemed to make sense. :)
John Payne [11-08-2010]
Sure I remember Bobby Reeves, his brother Richie, Charlie Agger (passed0 Ronnie Manzo (passed)and of course I remember you. Those were the good old days. There are a lot of stories from that time that keep my kids and grandson laughing.Good to hear from you and take care. Joe
Joe Leone [11-08-2010]
Martin Fitzpatrick, Bravo man! I have been doing some reading of the e-book you wrote with Tommy James on the 'Mob' and the music business. It is a good read -like a quality ethnography done by an anthropologist who knows the community he is writing about. The narrative is a rich, thick description of a hidden 60's sub-culture. I wish you the greatest success with your art and this book and, I understand perhaps a Martin Scorcese film is in the offing? What part of Germantown were you from and when did you live there? All best wishes.
Jim McKernan, Professor Greenville NC [11-06-2010]
Tammy Sawyer â€“ The Proper Place on Stenton Ave in the 60â€™s was one of my favorite places to go back then. You are right, it was a very fun place. It was an intimate lounge. as opposed to a club, with a medium sized oval bar and booths. Iâ€™m not sure if I remember your father, but the bartenders were great guys, and wouldnâ€™t hesitate to pick up a round now and then for the Friday and Saturday night â€śregularsâ€ť. It was a nice friendly place and rarely was there any problems, only when a guy with a little too much to drink would act up a little now and then but for the most part it was a place you could bring your wife or girl friend and not feel threatened. There was music and entertainment, but not like the bands that played at the Garabaldi Club on Chelten Avenue or the Rossi Club on Hunting Park Avenue. Steady entertainment was provided by a trio led by Steve Lawlor, who played the piano, along with his long time sidekick Bill Rossi who was on bass guitar. Canâ€™t be sure of who the drummer was. Steve, who somewhere along the line picked up the nickname â€śMilkyâ€ť, did more of a Dean Martin-type act, where he would sing popular songs of the day (he did not try to do an imitation), throw in some comedy routines, and really interacted with the crowd. As the night wore on, so would Steve from all of the Scotches that were sent his way. By 2 AM he was really wound up and letâ€™s say his routine by then had gradually turned â€śblueâ€ť â€“ just innuendo, no really bad language. He had a great memory for names and faces and knew everybody in the place by name. In the early 60â€™s, I first caught his act at a piano bar called JCâ€™s Lounge on west Chelten Avenue. Shortly after I was drafted and over two years later happened to come across him again at the Proper Place â€“ and damned if he didnâ€™t instantly remember my name. Not that I was any one special. He just remembered everybodyâ€™s name. And I think that was the charm of the place. You didnâ€™t go to the Proper Place to dance to a loud band, you went to drink and be entertained in a casual atmosphere.
Vince Sesso, West Deptford, NJ [11-06-2010]
Seamus Mc Williams were you a Lieutenant in the Philadelphia Police Department? Did you work at the Police Garage?
ORVILLE T. BALLARD [11-06-2010]
I humbly disagree with the webmasters posting of my personal comment as "disputatious". I cut and pasted the original postings right off this site and the original postings are not dubbed "disputatious". Why the unfairness?
Kevin McKernan....Thank you for calling me a hooligan.That is a compliment.I have been called much worse.Thanks to you and your brothers,Schmitty,John Payne,Dan Hartnett and others posting on this site,my vocabulary has been enhanced.It takes awhile to read the literate posts because I depend on my trusty fifty year old Webster Dictionary to find the meanings of all those big words.Schmitty,however,speaks a different language because most of his big words are not in my old dictionary.It must be due to the special language taught by the Jesuits at the Prep and St.Joe's.Perhaps it's because he was always on the go and picking up funny words from different neighborhoods and bars.At our corner,our vocabulary was plain and simple,mostly four-letter words not found in Webster's......Paul Borian
Paul Borian, My Social Securiy check allows me to buy my own candy;thus,no longer steal from little kids on Halloween. [11-06-2010]
Dan Hartnett...My wife and I also saw "Jersey Boys" at the Forrest Theatre last week.I was rocking and rolling,bopping and strolling in my seat.I guess as we age,the four-letter words are somewhat shocking? Back in the 50's and 60's,street corner sounds and profanity ruled.At the Hollow,the four-letter words were flowing freely on our corner and in the old Hollow gym while playing basketball.I am sure that it was the same in North Jersey where Frankie Valli,Bob Gaudio,Tommy DeVito,and Nick Massi hung out....Paul Borian( four-letter words are still a part of my vocabulary)
Paul Borian, "Walk Like a Man","Big Girls Don't Cry","Rag Doll","Sherry", [11-06-2010]
Tammy Sawyer: I dont know where to begin but I knew your father, Tom (aka Wacky) donnelly well. I knew your mother (Mary) also and I remember you as a little cutey pie (you were probably about 5 or 6) as well as your brothers Tommy, Gary and Lennie. I bartended at the Proper Place when your father and Steve (Milky) Lawler owned it. I had more good and memorable times there than any other bar, as well as a few fist fights. Oh well, after all it was Germantown. Your father was one terrific guy and extremely well liked. He had a following. Steve Lawlers opening song on the piano went like this: Here is to Eve the mother of our race, who wore her fig leaf in the Proper Place. Here is to Adam, the daddy of us all, who was Johnny on the spot when the leaves began to fall. Steve never ran out of songs or humor. He wound up playing for years in Wildwood. Since your dad was from Belfield he had a big following from there. He also had tended bar at a place called JCs on Chelten Ave. near Wayne and had a following from there. I know your dad moved to Roslyn and I saw his obituary several years ago. I liked him so much that I felt a great sadness when I read it. One more thing, as I recall, he was a tail gunner on a B17 in WWII and flew missions, I believe, over Germany. Something to be proud of. If I can offer anything, just let me know. I could also link by email.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-06-2010]
JBS, Sorry that I missed the last reunion luncheon. I was tied up at a golf outing with my children at a fairly new country club in Coventry that is owned by the Piazza family. Most of the money came from Mike the former Mets catcher,I think. It was a once in a lifetime chance to play such a noteworthy course. I am looking forward to our next luncheon, and seeing your pretty face(LOL). I love to read your blogs, even tho sometimes you get verbose. Keep on posting my friend. I will buy you a glass of Cabarnet the next get together, unless you would like to branch out and try a delicious Pinot Noir. I may even have one with you.
Ned burke [11-06-2010]
dan hartnett thanks for the update and im happy to hear you and your wife had such a wonderful time ... rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-06-2010]
joe leone do u remember charlie agger,bobby reeves ronnie manzo buddy curran
buddy curran [11-06-2010]
cathy maning muir the hardware store at wayne&seymore was called kane&browns it was the second store at w&s the first store was empty for years later became glen or lens windows&glass if i remember right buddy curran clapier st
Dan Harnett, I applaud your respect for women. I remember the day when our virgin ears were protected by the guys we hung around with. As I hear foul language being recklessly tossed around in front of and by young girls today, I think of how these girls are missing something special from the guys in their life. I've adjusted to the times but I'm not particularly comfortable with it. As for your mother in law, you should ask her how she'd be able to handle the language in the show and take it from there.
John Payne:Joe Bonge was FFK,I have no idea why or how he got it,or who gave him the name,but he carried that nick name for a couple of years,strange is it not,or maybe not so strange when you think about some of the nick names we all had.
Joe DiPasquale [11-06-2010]
To Marie.Not me. Sorry
rich, Huntingdon Valley [11-05-2010]
Martin Fitzpatrick: It's great to have another Irish-American writer on this site. I wish you good fortune with your book about Tommy James and the Mob. This theme really resonates with me. It is paradoxical for me that a young kid from the Mid-west would be connected with the mob. Some of those crime Families like The Genovese and Gambino could be fatal in New York. You probaly remembered Charlie Gracie from South Philly who had the bag hit-"Butterfly". He did not want to play the game and was blacklisted. Tommy James and Charlie Gacie had connections with Roulette Records. I will always remember "Hanky Panky" by Tommy James. I would be very interested in purchasing the book and seeing you on a book-tour. We like to see Germantowners do well, especially those who went to The Germantown Boys Club. I commend you on your comments about Mr. Riggs, Mr. Alexander[Bud], and Mr. Adomoli[Mario]- they were good people. These fine gentlemen would be so proud of your literary accomplishments and success.
John Bruce Schmitt [11-05-2010]
RoseMarie Hite Malageri: I recall you, as well as some others, being euphoric over The Jersey Boys. Well, my wife had been telling me in the last month or so that she also wanted to see it. Her girl friends saw it at the Forrest and were raving over it. I know that the show is closing in Philly in mid December and that decent seats on good days are pretty well sold out. I felt that I let my wife down. It turns out that we went to New York last weekend without a big agenda and while walking along 52nd St. we saw the theater advertising the Jersey Boys on the marquee. I went to the ticket window and asked for two seats that evening (Saturday) and it was already 4:30 pm. The guy told us $276 each. I responded that it was way over our heads. He replied that he had some good seats for $136. I told him we would try Philly. He came back and said that he had two seats in different rows but they were one behind the other, for $86. We bought them. I was in the front row, my wife in the second row, and the seat next to her was empty so I jumped back there in row B. We had a great time and, like you said, the show was terrific and we were right up front for a great price. Got lucky! The only thing I didn't like was the constant barrage of 4 letter words. I would like to take my mother in law and I don't want for her to have to put up with this stuff. Being a Germantown guy my own vocabulary was well spiced but we didn't do it in the presence of women. I guess I am old fashioned that way but so be it. I had totally dropped off rock music in the late 60s with acid rock and the British coming in because I didnt like any of it (sorry John Lennon lovers). JBS: if you are reading this, my wife and I had dinner across from the theater at the Russian Samovar. You would have loved it. If you have a lady friend and are out for the night in New York, I think this would be right up your alley, Chicken Kiev and borscht but the wildest music and crowd that I have seen in a long time. Three gypsies playing Russian music and Gypsy stuff on a violin, piano and guitar and a totally wild scene accompanied by lots of vodka. These people know how to party but only a video would capture it authentically. What a night; just wanted to broadcast it a little bit.
Dan Hartnett, Former East Germantown [11-05-2010]
JBS: I do enjoy your use of our language and vocabulary. Semantics and syntax are important. Use the wrong word and you can find yourself in a fight, duel or even a war. Most of the arguments in philosophy have been over the meaning of words. Tell me you don't do the NY Times' crossword puzzle in INK? Fortunately, we have many fine writers contributing colorful posts here: Bill Cupo, Jim Breen, RFK and Mr. Payne come readily to mind, along with my brothers (glandular bias). In addition, our new female posters: Regina (Scotland) and Cathy from Downunder (Cathy! Come back! Your beloved step-father would have thrown those anon. pluggers out of his bar) have joined the infrequent but sharp insights offered by Helen Leone and the ever gracious L. Fontana, the Armstrong ladies and the ever ubiquitous Rosemarie. Wish we had more. However, this being said, I have an issue with your characterization of " Mr. Hollow," Paul Borian as a rascal. That's a big misnomer. I think a more descriptive word for him would be the old Irish expression-- HOOLIGAN--worst than a prankish rascal but not quite reaching the mens rea required of a criminal. It also has going for it a connection to jocks. Luckily for him, the statute of limitations has expired on his youthful acts of vandalism. Paul, you can remove your sackcloth and ashes now, the law has forgiven you (technicality), but for God's sake, man--learn to take the 5th Amendment which will protect you from self-incrimination. Did you really pinch the candy from the little trick-or-treaters? That was bad! It's obvious that you were deeply imprinted on the Hollow and Goo, and withdrawal was hard to do, but think how Goo would be laughing his head off at all this repartee and banter between the Hollow "Nutter" and the East Germantown "Ball- Buster". Have a great day! Did she wear combat boots?
kevin McKernan, Santa Barbara, CA., St Vincent's '58, CD '62 [11-05-2010]
Martin Fitzpatrick - you've gotten my attention.
HELEN LEONE D'ANGELO [11-05-2010]
If anyone went to a bar called THE PROPER PLACE in the 1960's my father Tom Donnelly owned it and tended the bar. there was music and entertainment. It was located at Stenton & Haines St.,which later was turn down to build Martin Luther King high school.I understand it was a pretty fun place in its day, Any stories or memories would be great to hear about.
Tammy Sawyer, looking into my fathers history [11-05-2010]
John Payne: There is nothing wrong with a political and intellectual dialogue as long as it stays cerebral and does not get personal and nasty. Unfortunately, it can get vitriolic on this site when politics are discussed. Politics can get very interesting in your adopted state of Florida. You now have a very conservative senator whose family came from Cuba-What A Country. I conjecture that many people on this are happy and others would be disappointed. Many years ago I went to a fund-raiser with Brother Ken for Dave Glancey[your classmate] when he ran for congress. Dave G. was good friends with Frank Klock. Paul Borian had mentioned Frank Klock in one of his blogs. I know that you and Bor would like to read some commentary from Frank about your beloved Hollow. I must admit that I liked walking through the bars on the fence and looking at the rocks in the the background-The Hollow was a beautiful playground with Captain Goo. You and Bor really refresh us with your fond memories of The Hollow-and hallow be all the great people from The Hollow-including The Payne Family.
Bill Cupo, great blog of 'days gone by' from you on this site..Thanks for that positive breath of 'fresh air'..we all probably needed on here. You are a fine man and great friend to me. I am so glad that you enjoyed that day...Linda "F"> P>S> Ted Silary emails me on occasion,too..imagine being a Sports Writer, how interesting is that, V E R Y .....and I hope you both can make our next luncheon at LaFontana's on Dec. 12. @ 1:00.
L. Fontana [11-05-2010]
hi everyone ... i know we havnt gotten as far as thanksgiving yet but im giving all of you a reminder that we are once again meeting at la fantans for our g town luncheon on december 12th at 1:00pm dont forget ... hope to see everyone! rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-05-2010]
Lynne: There is no exact 'list', just anyone who wants to show up, let me know on this site, one wk, prior to December 12, so that I can make the proper arrangements/and let the restaurant know an estimated head count.It is a lot of fun, and the people are all great former "G" town residents..so please come and contribute 'your thoughts' as well, Sincerely, Linda "F".P>S. I look forward to meeting you, hopefully.
For those of you that wonder why I cut and pasted certain individual family's comments on this blog, it is just to let you know this, in my opinion, is not respresentative of typical Germantown behaviour. In fact, it's embarrassing to be associated with this group. I'm just plain tired of reading their nonsense.
mek, G-town girl [11-05-2010]
..."Guess now that sailing season is over I will be enjoying football games next week with my left over stash of Milky way's that were never claimed all because today's youth is soft as a week old cantaloupe." Bernard f mc kernan, annapolis Md. [11-01-2010]
..."John Payne, it is obvious you have not thought carefully about this concept of eqiuality as a right of Americans. You are also perhaps unaware of the various Civil Rights acts of the 1960's-1990's which guarantee equality based on race, gender, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, etc. Any student who gave me such a response as 'lalalala' would receive the fair grade of "F". Because only an 'eejit' would respond accordingly." Jim mckernan,
Jim McK> Yes, I'm sure you would. How threatening it must be for you to operate out here in the real world.
John Payne [11-05-2010]
I was bred and buttered, as they say, in Germantown. The best part of that dismal experience was the Boys' Club. It was there that I learned how to swim, defend myself, and shoot pool; skills that saved my life on numerous occasions and sustain me still. I did my first 'professional' writing there for the Club's newsletter edited rather poorly by John McPhilemy. I was first a camper and later a counselor at Camp Indiandale. I was also a member of the Order of the Wolf, something too convoluted to go into here. The best part of my stay at Indiandale was Mr. Riggs. He was the first artist I ever met, the first expert on Lenni-Lenape lore, culture, and language, the first man I ever met with a true passion for something, and the first of many adults there that formed my life. Men like Riggs, Bud, Mario, Ray, Mark Haskins, among others, first trusted me with responsibility, with the care of children, and allowed me to believe in myself and my own creativity. Without them and without the experiences of Indiandale, I doubt if I should ever have written any books. My best to all of them and to their memories.
Martin Fitzpatrick, I am a writer. My latest book is Me the Mob and the Music: One helluva ride with Tommy James and the Shondells [11-04-2010]
James Davis: Another resource for information on births of Blacks in Philadelphia is the African American Genealogy Group, P.O. Box 27356, Philadelphia, PA 19118, Tel: 215-572-6063, email: firstname.lastname@example.org, website http://www.aagg.org/ Please let us know how you are doing with your research. Catherine Muir
Catherine Muir [11-04-2010]
lou giorno i bet boris karloff sure kicked himself in the pants for bypassing that part. :>) thanks for the input ...im not a movie buff by any means but do enjoy the older horror movies although by todays standards im sure they are pretty mild . you are (im sure) correct that the 13 ghosts was a "b" rated movie ...it was pretty corny and even the ghosts were so funny ..looking like (which they probably were) shadows on a wall made by somebody holding a flash light on a cut out ... ha! but, i did enjoy it and got a kick out of it ... take care rosemarie
rosemarie hite malageri [11-04-2010]
Bor: you never waver in your love for The Hollow. Goo must be happy as he looks down from heaven and reads your blogs and positive comments about The Hollow. John Payne also has great stories about The Hollow. You mentioned Frank Klock in one of your blogs. Frank was a friend and classmate[St. Francis] of John P. He does post on this site and makes laudable contributions with his poetry. I know that it would please you if he made some interesting comments about The Hollow. It is a tragedy what has happened to The Hollow and the old neighborhood. Recently, I was in Fairmount which had tough street gangs back in the day-especially The Green Street Counts. Today, it is a decent urban-neighborhood. For you,there will never be a neighborhood like The Hollow but I still like to hang out in the old Philadelphia neighborhoods. I have lived in the burbs for many years but I have never acclimated myself to suburban life.
"...We would take a brown paper bag from the Acme, line the bottom with aluminum foil and fill it partially with dog doo (wet was best). This turd-grenade was then placed in front of the door, set on fire and the door bell rung in the hope that some large footed person would soon appear. Off we went but not so far as we couldn't witness one of the most hilarious scenes still in my memory banks: large feet stomping on a bag on fire, turds flying in all directions...and, then, the cussing filling the night air throughout the neighborhood--something about feces. The next day while passing by the "scene", we would poke each other in the ribs when we saw the brown stain and a lingering aroma of excreted Alpo still in the air. This is how Mischief Night went down back in the day." Kevin McKernan
Schmitty> Sorry to break off the constitutional dialogue, but I tend to agree with many on this site that it is more of a neighborhood social site, and politics seems to bring people down. Love the topic though; plus, given my hobby of cartooning, I'll go for the laugh every time. I can't help it; I'm just incorrigible. :)
John Payne [11-04-2010]
How about this phrase: "Rock N' Roll till the Cows come Home". When someone called you a name, your response was "your Mom".
Dave, in the 60's [11-04-2010]
Just an FYI about a get together coming up this Sunday (11/7)at 2:00 P.M. Several graduates from St. Francis class of '71 (and nearby years) will enjoy good company and refreshments at the Bahama Breeze in King of Prussia. It is located off the back of the mall near the multiplex and Nordstrom's Rack. Feel free to e-mail me at email@example.com or just show up. All are welcome!320 Goddard Blvd.,K of P, PA 19406 610-491-9822. Bahamabreeze.com
Mike Buchanan, Kennett Twp, Chester County [11-04-2010]
John Payne, it is obvious you have not thought carefully about this concept of eqiuality as a right of Americans. You are also perhaps unaware of the various Civil Rights acts of the 1960's-1990's which guarantee equality based on race, gender, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, etc. Any student who gave me such a response as 'lalalala' would receive the fair grade of "F". Because only an 'eejit' would respond accordingly.
Jim mckernan, Professor Greenville NC [11-04-2010]
Schmitty....No doubt that I had a sheltered life in my youth.I just could not break away from the corner.Even while living on campus at Nova,my mind was always on the Hollow street corner.From time to time,I would drive to my favorite hangout spot and bond with the Boys of the Hollow.It helped me get by the four years at Nova.Campus life was good,but something always seemed to be missing.I think it was Goo. I never forgot my roots.Had very little desire to travel to other Philly neighborhoods.All the things that were important to me were at Wayne and Logan.Looking back,I was one lucky dude......Bor
Paul Borian, Still living a sheltered life [11-03-2010]
Thanks Eddie & Linda, just making a small point that apparently many also feel. I appreciate your remarks as well. Eddie, how the H... could I ever change? Please say Hi to everyone. Linda, I do have a cool name (laughing out loud)! All the best to you as well.
Seamus McWilliams, Germantown Always, GBC Alumn [11-03-2010]
James Davis, you might try the Germantown Historical Society. I don't know their phone number, but I'm sure they'll be able to help you. Maybe somebody who posts here can give you the info on how to be in touch with them. Good Luck.
I have the 1932 original of Washington Visits Germantown by C.F.Jenkins and upon reading it came to realize the many times our Stevens School ladies were called upon to serve tea in these unsurpassable Historical Homes. I attend many historical attempts to recreate this type of event here in the NW where I now am retired and I sincerely do try to be gracious and appreciative in an atmosphere that comes nowhere near what I experienced in my youth. I only wish I had really understood the good fortune we young folks had having been raised in the cradle of history.We were considered the sister school to Germantown Academy in those days and as teens I am sure we never understood either what an honor that was.Now at the ripe age of 80 I am at least glad to have these memories.
Elizabeth LaRoche, docent and hostess during the 1940 for most of the original homes in that area [11-03-2010]
Jim McK> After long and carful thought, I've decided to quote the revered french philospher, Pierre LfNer, when he said, lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.
John Payne [11-03-2010]
Joe D.> Almost forgot, you asked about Joe Bonge. I remember the name, but I'm thinking this is a ficticious person, and cannot remember any stories around it. This will drive me nuts until it comes back to me.
John Payne [11-03-2010]
Joe D.> How could I ever forget that great rendition of "Why Do Fools Fall In Love". If you found that song before Frankie Lymon, who knows, :) They were really good times, and good people. Hope all is well with you, Joe.
John Payne [11-03-2010]
L. Fontana, Is there a list for the LaFontana luncheon on December 12th? Who do we get in touch with? Thanks.
Kevin McKernan: I enjoyed the repartee between you and Paul Borian,the old jock from The Hollow. Brother Jim is engaged in a Constitutional dialogue with John Payne,another scholar-athlete from The Hollow and St. Francis. You and The Bor were really nutting[Hollow jargon] each other. He let you know that he did not lead a sheltered life. One of the bloggers thought he hung out with rascals. If he had meandered further south to Germantown&Erie, he could have hung out with some real rapscallions. Brother Bernie told me that you were literate and the best writer in the family and that is why I ratcheted up the vocabulary. Your father spent time in this area when the eagle flew on Friday. The Eagle was located at Gtn.&Erie-not far from where the Coyle Brothers[St. Vincent's] hid out from the cops. Two guys from St. Francis,Jack Murphy and the legendary John Berkery,tended bar at The Shamrock which was down Gtn. Ave. The bouncer at The Shamrock was not a Jewish lawyer or doctor but a professional Jewish boxer. Marv Edleman had these tough dudes under control. Marv was also a bouncer at Erie Social which was a club inundated with more rapscallions. Bor never frequented these places and chose to hang at Nick's-Wayne&Logan. John Berkery had a store on Wayne Ave. across from Moe's candy-store where Bor hung out. If Bor had tilted some of the pin-ball machines there, Big John might have tilted some of his personal parts. Jack Murphy who was Berkry's friend might have been tougher. Bor hung in that Hollow Island which was really a triangle-The Playground,Moe's and Nick's Bar. One could make the case that you used the proper word,insular, in describing life on the corner. Corner boys tend to be provincial and devoid of any penchant for ubiquity or peripatecity. This is why there are two flavors,chocolate and vanilla. You and I liked to roam the world like Cathy Muir of Australia who seems to be on the same page with Professor Jim. Hopefully, The Bor will meet Brother Bernie at the next reunion. Big Brother will be easy to recognize with his flamboyant attire. I hope that you or Bor do not take umbrage with my comments about your nutting conversation on this site.
To Rich from HV,Were you ever in a play that was televised.I recall this. Marie
Jim McKernan I applauded, and admired, your efforts to bring a Vietnam War memorial to Germantown. Then, you turn around and, once again, threaten lawsuits to the webmaster and to whoever else here. Though it sometimes gets heated and sometimes goes off-topic, this is a peaceful blog…. No doubt, there are folks here that seem to enjoy stirring the pot, and usually do so under the veil of cowardly anonymity. Responding only fuels their fire, encouraging them onward. If you can’t ignore their inciting posts, then maybe this blog is not for you. Remember, take away their audience, their stage becomes a lonely one…..
Dennis McGlinchey, Born & raised in East Germantown [11-03-2010]
Did you ever see a street fight where there's one or two guys who are so into it that they even turn on and hit guys who are with them? They just like to hit people. It's nuts, and sad. But it's kind of entertaining too.....as long as I'm standing on the curb and not one of the people getting hit. LOL
Bill James, the head from the hollow [11-03-2010]
What once was can never be again. The shooting happened inside Walnut Lane Apartments in the Germantown section of Philadelphia at around 4:30 p.m.on Monday 11-1. That's where a 55-year-old woman was shot in the face.She was rushed to the hospital in critical condition.
ex gtowner, 64 yrs old [11-03-2010]
I am looking for my paternal grandmother who was from Germantown... My dad was adopted and never met his mom. I would like to meet her or at least know something about her if she is no longer with us. Her name is Geraldine Ann Fallon(maiden) Thank you!
Courtney, ambler, pa, 27, hairstylist [11-03-2010]
Seamus McWilliams >what a great name you have....also, I totally agree with you, no personal agendas here......glad you typed that...L A F
The Philly Way "VOTE EARLY & VOTE OFTEN"
Poll Counter [11-02-2010]
James W. Davis Jr: I have broken my self-imposed exile from this site because your appeal for information touched me and, rather than reply to your private email, I think it may be of sufficient general interest to reply publicly. At university I did an honors thesis on the Chinese community in Philadephia, at a time when ethnic history, as it was termed, was all the rage. I was aware of a wealth of data on Blacks in Philadelphia, the 1960s and 1970s being a particularly fertile time for research on the topic, especially at the University of Pennsylvania. A good place for a layman to start would be http://aampmuseum.org/ the website of the African American Museum in Philadelphia. Germantown was incorporated into the City and County of Philadelphia in 1854 by the Act of Consolidation (see wikipedia). US Census data is also available online, although it may be much easier for you to access it through the documented research of others. The raw census data is fascinating. When I was researching the arrival of the first Chinese in Philadelphia — erroneously reported as occurring in 1870 — I scrolled through reels and reels of microfilm at the Free Library of Philadelphia (during a power outage, no air con, no electricity to wind the reels), only to find, as I suspected, that the '10 Chinese women' reported to be in the 10th Ward (the Girard College area) were actually 10 black women. The census taker has coded them as 'C' (presumably for 'colored'), instead of 'B' (the correct code for 'black'), when 'C' was actually the code for Chinese. (A controversy is currently raging over the return of the term 'negro' in the 2010 census; even in 1870, blacks were called 'black'.) In 1870 there weren't 10 Chinese women in the entire US, so it was an easy error to detect. Except for the occasional Chinese man traveling with missionaries through Philadelphia and paraded as a convert to Christianity, the Chinese first arrived in large numbers on the East Coast of the US in 1875 as strikebreakers in the Casebolt laundry strike in Belleville NJ and began to appear in Philadelphia soon afterwards. They originally congregated in S. Philadelphia, before beginning to appear in the area now known as Chinatown. Philadelphia's Chinese community developed along totally different lines than in other Chinatowns, such as SFO and NYC. One key difference was the lack of Chinese prostitutes, with Irish and German women filling that niche. The local papers (usually on p.7) were a rich source of info on the day-to-day life in Chinatown, which was a German/Jewish neighborhood in the mid- to late-1800s. My thesis, including many old photos from the Philadelphia City Archives, is on file at the Temple University Urban Archives. Good luck with your research. It is a noble endeavor.
Catherine Manning Muir [11-02-2010]
Hello All ! Just wanted to share a nice story with you about a reunion I had on the 29th. I played golf at LuLu Temple C.C. with two former team mates of mine from the Ogontz Boys Club baseball team. I haven't seen either one of them for 40 years. We played baseball at Simon's recreation center on Rodney st and the baseball field at 19th and Cheltenham near the Erlen Theatre. We got together via a social networking site and it just so happened that one of the guys was a member at LuLu. My buddies names are Joe Dollinger, a legend of a lefty pitcher that threw very hard and really intimadated the opposition. The other buddy was Charlie Sumter, a great shortstop that made it as far as Double A baseball for the Detroit Tigers. Joe also played for Bishop McDevitt and Charlie played for Olney H.S.. Joe, by the way, made it to the San Diego Padres and had a brief "cup of coffee" with them. We shared a picture of us at Connie Mack Stadium in the 1966 All-Star game. We were all of 15 years old at that time and sitting under the Ballantine scoreboard. Needless to say, golf was the last thing we were talking about. We shared so many great stories of our days in Germantown, West Oak Lane, and Cheltenham and all the ball fields we played on; Summerdale, East Falls, Feltonville, Wissinoming, Hill Creek, West Oak Lane, Cresentville, and so many others. We were pretty emotional when we saw each other and very proud of what we accomplished back then and how it shaped our lives. We had some diverse backgrounds on that team; Charlie is African-American, I'm of Italian descent, Joe is German, plus we had two or three other African-American ball players and two or three Jewish ball players from Mt.Airy and West Oak Lane. Prior to that baseball experience, I didn't know any Jewish kids and only a handful of Black kids from I.C.. In the stories we told, we mentioned these backgrounds and how we all came together and won a couple of city championships in Sandlot baseball. We had an awful lot of laughs talking about what we thought of some of our team mates. For instance; one of our players was Moxy Bilkens. When I first met him, I asked him what his "real" name was because I never heard of the name Moxy. He just looked at me and said "that is my real name" and I later found out that this was a fairly common Jewish name. We all thought the same thing, I was just the one who thought it out loud. That whole day, Charlie and I rode together in the golf cart and just couldn't get over how great it was to see each other after so many years. He confided in me that he's the person he is today because of guys like Joe and I. We treated him with respect and he was our "buddy". I told him the same; playing with those guys taught me a lot about how I adapted to so many situations growing up. I'm so grateful that I got a chance to know guys like Joe and Charlie. My thanks also to Ted Silary, also a former team mate, and currently a Daily News Sports writer, who blogs once in a while on this site, for giving me Charlie's phone number and getting the ball rolling. We're now going to try and get in touch with some more players and have an even bigger get-together. I really believe Germantown was one of the great neighborhoods in Philly; it never leaves me and it's so great to share it with all of you. Take care everybody !
Bill Cupo, Immaculate Grad "65". C.D. "69"- Haines st 1300 Block [11-02-2010]
Shay, Well said. I scim through all this crap every now and then to see if there is anybody on that I might care about.[You, Richie or Chooch].Your last post made me laugh out loud. Don't ever change. Eddie
Eddie McMonagle, 54- Portico St. [11-02-2010]
= when times were slow. Good old days Hope you guys like this It will bring back great memories when times were slow. Good old days Hope you guys like this It will bring back great memories
rich, Huntingdon valley [11-02-2010]
Rosemarie-13 Ghosts was probably a B movie--I never saw it.I'm a movie buff & trivia person on old movies. By the way,not only did Glenn Strange-play Frankenstein,but so did Bela Lugosi in certain horror movies.The reason Boris Karloff didn't play Frankenstein in the Abbot&Costello movie, was, he said that the monster shouldn't be portrayed in a comedy movie--he lost a lot of money on that big ego of his. lou Giorno
lou giorno, lou from burbs [11-02-2010]
L.A.F. > Shame about good things coming to an end, but, were you referring to the Pontiac, or the date.:)
John Payne [11-02-2010]
B> McKernan...very nice post from you. It made me smile for awhile.....on this otherwise, 'workaholic' afternoon.My mother used to sew all of my Halloween costumes back in the good old days..and enter me in contests galore.And, I won a lot of them....She was a seamstress by trade for a major Bridal Salon.....so, hence I had the poofy type of costumes from year to year. I was Cinderella and Princess Grace of Monaco, etc. Those memories are so valuable to me, they're priceless....Sincerely, Linda "F"
L.Fontana.. John Payne is one of the many intelligent Irish writers who posts here. He was intelligent to get away from some of those rascals from Happy Hollow. They must have been a rowdy bunch. The liberal judges must have saved some of them. They celebrated Halloween in peculiar ways. Their liberal teachers must have helped them. The progressive thinkers like yourself also help them to think rationally. You are the voice of sanity .
John Payne...You are the youngest member of the Payne family,but a giant in terms of Happy Hollow stories.You are a close second to Jack Brogan.Those were the days when The Goo was playing piano and singing his own version of popular songs.One of his songs went like this; She's five foot two,eyes of blue,could she,could she,could she bleep.Another one went like this;T'was the night before Christmas when all through the house,not a bleeper bleeper was stirring not even a louse.The last verse was,"As he climbed up the chimney I heard him exclaim,bleeper bleep you all,see you next year."...You had to be there to appreciate "The Goo Hour." It was better than the Ed Sullivan show....Paul Borian
Paul Borian, I'll be out to get you in a taxi honey [11-02-2010]
John Payne,the guitar player was Charlie Bodo,went to St Francis with us,as I remember he was very good! Wow that was a long time ago,some old photos my daughter has are from then,with you,me,phil plano jim Kehan,Lou Fondi and others inc Cher,jamie,Franny,Judy Murphy,later on Paul Mary,Tresa,Cathy,Janice,Joe Razz,Ralph Gatto what a great group of friends to grow up with! QUESTION:remember JOE BONGE?
Joe DiPasquale [11-02-2010]
Seamus McWilliams...It has been a long time since I heard the expression,"Your Mom." It was a big part of our vocabulary whenever we got mad at someone.I wonder how that phrase ever got started? Does anyone know?Is it a Germantown thing?...Paul Borian
Paul Borian, Long time ago,someone from the Hollow told me that my mom wears sneakers to church [11-02-2010]
L.A.F.> Thanks. I'm officially blushing.
John Payne [11-02-2010]
To all my Mick friends. In my last post I had a typo and misspelled Ireland. Mea Culpa. What was I drinking? LOL
John Payne [11-02-2010]
Webmaster, I am asking you to ensure that all members of this site are registered BY NAME and address and that they may not post as anonymous.No more anonymous postings. Recent attacks on one woman who is a US Citizen, by brazen ignorant people on this site who sign as "Gman or Anonymous" is unacceptable-this woman has rights and expects her US rights upheld. There is an ignorant minority who use this site.They will always be ignorant unless this site is protected. I was libelled by several current users of this site-some still advocating themselves though they are anonymous. This is all within the past two years. I will not tolerate character defamation and libel any longer. Along with our Australian colleague, I say clean up this matter of protecting slobs who rant without identification, or suffer legal consequences. This is for real and I hope you understand. Otherwise it shall not be tenable for the site to continue. Letting "all the flowers grow Douglas Heller, allows for awful weeds". You may quote me on that. I always sign as a son of Church Lane. Jim McKernan.
Jim McKernan, Professor [11-02-2010]
John Payne, Please note this response was generated by Payne's reaction to my blog. I am simply defending my understanding of how our nation is endowed to protect 'equality". It was John Locke who wrote that men were endowed with "life liberty and the right to property" one hundred years before the US Declaration declaring men had the right to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I, and other scholars, still mainatin that Jefferson was very appreciative of Locke's writings-hence our US Declaration.It also says men are created equal-and if that doesn't suggest they have equality then the US Constitution made it clear with the 14th Amendment. It has an 'equal protection clause' which states that all are equal under the law. Methinks you are not comprehending this legal concept of 'equality'-we are guaranteed equality under law with this document.Not only was Jefferson a probable plagiarist but also a slave owner-so I suppose we shouldn't believe his rhetoric as so many conservatives do??
Jim McKernan, Professor Greenville NC [11-02-2010]
Linda Fontana With all due respect my comments are not 'idle chatter' and are provoked by others with a dogmatic/negative position and I trust you would accord me the right to say my bit. I give you the same advice I have been given-move on if you disagree. OK?
Jim McKernan, Professor Greenville NC [11-02-2010]
Well sad to say that the Pontiac is no more.....and I dated someone who had a really sharp one, back in the day..all good things must come to an end,unfortunately.
John Payne, you are a very intelligent and funny man and I enjoy reading your postings, please never stop..thank you....L A F
It seems as if 'quite a few' of the gentlemen who write on this site,are in agreement with one another on one point . . . .. and that is> to "KEEP THE POLITICS"< off of the 'Germantown site'. And, I agree, with Dennis mcGlinchey and James Breen/ please, express your viewpoints at the Polls on Tuesday with your ability to vote.Thanks, Linda "F"
Remember to VOTE on Nov.2nd, this is one reason our HERO'S sacrificed for all of us. Also remember them on the 11th month, the 11th day and the 11th hour.
Independent/ Veteran, Over 18 [11-01-2010]
Blah Blah Blah...politics galore! When I first founf this site I was happy to read all the thoughts of my past haunts and friends. Today I read all this "stuff" that has nothing to do with my memories of Germantown. Growing up there was unique to each of us. Thoughts of all the crazy, funny, scary, happy, sily things we did is fun to read now. So, to those who wish to turn this great site ino a personnal agenda I want to add what was the end (or beginning) of all debates back then by saying simply..."YOUR MOM"!
Seamus McWilliams, Somers Point,61 but Gtown Always [11-01-2010]
Kevin McKernan...I want you to know that I hardly lived a sheltered childhood.Along with Goo,Brogan,Billy Obst,Jay Kelly,and others,we terrorized our neighborhoods.We specialized in breaking car windshields,pooring sand in gas tanks,spilling Pepsie on cars,and stealing pocketbooks from old ladies.As we moved on to greater criminal activity,such as burglarly,we trained the younger Happy Hollow heads,such as John Payne,Frank Klock,Bonnie Gatto,Joe Razzano,and others to continue our terroristic activities.................................. By the way,I am just "Nutting" you......Paul Borian
Paul Borian, No Longer Breaking Chops [11-01-2010]
Woe is me, I have a "Halloween hangover" this a.m. To many Milky ways last night. I made several pit stops over the weekend to refurbish what I call a confectioners delight & knowing full well in advance but keeping it from wifey, I had Mikly ways, Juicy fruits, (Now known as Gummy bears), Three Musketeers & my all time favorite, Candy corn. The good candy corn not that glucose injected watered down version. Inasmuch as I live in a condo & on the third floor, I was aware that today's youth do not climb stairs, do not recite poems, sing, dance etc. Their mantra is that of a common thief. Take the candy & run!....Yes folks it's a different world today with Mommy's shepherding their young or Dad's with camcorder complete. When do any on this site ever remember having your parents tag along on Trick or Treat night? It is a sad commentary that kids can no longer enjoy the freedom of expression in creating their own costumes, makeup etc. Today it's a run down to the local Walmart to pick one up courtesy of Mr. Visa card the latest & greatest costume so we can one up Mary Jane or Billy. Hell, even the names have changed from Mary Jane to Markisa & Billy boy to Zacakariah. Change, it's inevitable except from a vending machine today. Anyway, here I sit this a.m. weaning myself from a severe sugar overdose & drinking black coffee all the while yearning for those nights of long ago back in Germantown collecting so many bags of candy they would tide most over until Easter. Christmas for sure. Guess now that sailing season is over I will be enjoying football games next week with my left over stash of Milky way's that were never claimed all because today's youth is soft as a week old cantaloupe.............Please, everyone excerise their right to vote tomorrow. Service members died preserving that for us. All others who do not, please shut their pie holes.
Bernard f mc kernan, annapolis Md. [11-01-2010]
lou giorno ... well well well ... you do know your monsters dont you? :>) well i didnt know any of this and thanks .... i watched a funny monster movie on saturday afternoon .. it was called the 13 ghosts ... it was somewhat corny and very innocent which befitted the era ... but, i did enjoy it very much and had a good laugh ... did you ever hear of it or see it? rosemarie
Bruce Marshall: I appreciate the info about Leon Russell,the truly great rock&blues musician . I am so old that I remember Wayne Armstrong when he lived on King St. and rode his Bike[A Hog] up Queen Lane and tried to avoid Bill Colsten, the wild biker who died on the highway. Bruce! Vote tomorrow and possibly for some winners.
Some Food For Thought for those so stridently opposed to “anonymous” postings: Our Political system is a direct by-product of anonymous political speech! The history of our Republic reveals that our Founding Fathers supported anonymous religious and political writings and speech by enacting the First Amendment and by regularly engaging in anonymous speech themselves. Samuel Adams wrote anonymously almost constantly, and his anonymous writings under the name ‘Vindex” were a prime cause of the American Revolution. Anonymous speech is as American as the 85 “anonymously” written Federalist Papers by Hamilton, Madison and Jay, which convinced Americans to adopt our Constitution. None of these men were cowards and America became an independent nation in large part due to the freedom to write anonymously.
Joe McCormick, Immaculate Conception 1955, C.D., 1959. [11-01-2010]
Jack Brogan: Your blog jogged another memory for me. My maternal grandmother came here from Irland, and had a very strong brogue, and an Irish wit. She gave my brother Frank the nickname NINA. This was before he was even Cisco. It was not until many years later as a full grown adult that I realized where the name NINA came from; it was from the early signs that the businesses displayed in their advertisements, NINA, or No Irish Need Apply.
John Payne [11-01-2010]
Dennis McGlinchy: Okay, Dennis, you asked for it...another Goo story. :) In "the Old GYM" at the Hollow, there was an upright piano in the corner. On a few occasions when I was a young teen, on a slow afernoon, or evening, Goo and a few of the other "Big Guys" would roll that piano out onto the gym floor, or turn it around in it's corner so the keys could be accessed, and Goo would then sit down and play some tunes to the delight of all assembled. He was a talented guy, and one of the tunes he played was called, "The Darktown Strutter's Ball" It started out, "I'll be down to get you in a pushcart honey; better be ready 'bout a half past eight, and baby, don't be late..." Well, Goo, being Goo, amended the lyrics. I cannot share them with you here, but suffice it to say, it was a bit randy, and very funny. Well, that got the group pumped up, and others then plied their skills, like Goo's cousin, Ollie Powers, who also was a very good pianist. There were other times when Bee-Bee (Joe) Rossi joined the group playing drums, and Tommy Santoro playing a Saxaphone. The next younger generation had a guy named Pete Brooks who started a singing trio, I forget there name, never really took off, but did write their own song, and sang at some Happy Hollow dances. Finally, the next generation had a drummer named Jimmy Skippione (I'm guessing at that spelling), Sax, Eddie Pinotti? Guitar ? forgot name. Joe DiPasquale even took a shot at singing with that group at a party venue. Well, Dennis, there you go. No politics, no business, strickly personal, and fun.
John Payne [11-01-2010]
Jack Brogan> The big building was called the Wyneva Apartments, and of course went from Wyneva St. down to Abbottsford Avenue. It is actually gone now; not renamed or re-purposed, but gone. Anyway, I, and I wonder how many others, used to do the same thing that you did. I would enter one of the vestibules, there were about three or four of them, and run my fingers down the bell buttons, and then take off. Just think how many other kids probably did the same thing. It must have made the residents of that place crazy. Hmm, now that I think about it, there were five vestibules. That doesn't bother me in terms of guilt, but the Mother Goose stuff does. Did that too. Not too proud of it.
John Payne [11-01-2010]
Please note I have try Germantown sources to find out when were blacks birth and death were recorded as public record.
James W. Davis Jr., N.Las Vegas, 70 yrs. [11-01-2010]
What year were Afro-American birth or death recorded as public record in Germantown, PA
James W. Davis Jr., 70 yr old Afro-American N.Las Vegas,NV [11-01-2010]
This site was meant to be a sharing of GTN thoughts-funny stories-situations ETC. Most of who log on to this site are not interested in POLITICAL trash- GOD BLESS the webmaster for his patience in editing this trash--let's get back to the real thoughts on this site--For those who want to discuss poltics -start your own website-Lou Giorno
lou giorno, lou from burbs [11-01-2010]
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